Your Guide to Contemporary Christian Music

06/19/2008



By Dale Peterson

Thank you for choosing to worship with us today. If you are from a church that uses traditional hymns, you may be confused. Please take a moment to read through this guide to contemporary Christian music.

In our church you will not hear "How Great Thou Art," "Wonderful Grace of Jesus," or "Like a River Glorious." (Generally, hymns that have words like “Thou” are not used. They are too archaic and are normally replaced by words like “awesome” and “miry clay”). Yes, okay, we may do "Amazing Grace" or "Peace Like a River" at some point, but as a general rule we avoid songs with too many different verses or those that can't be played easily on guitar and drums.

If you are new to worship here, you may wish to know the reasons for this. One is that deep theological concepts do not belong in contemporary Christian worship. We frown on songs that change more than one or two words for each verse. For example, our version of "Holy is the Lord" consists of repeating that phrase six times per verse and then changing "Holy" to "Worthy," "Mighty," "Jesus" and finally changing "the" to "my." Isn’t that much simpler to sing and easier to remember? The twin goals here are a) repetition and b) chanting quality. We don’t focus on what we’re singing, but how we’re singing it. The main thing is to get that kind of tingly, "olive oily" feeling. Don't worry if you don't get this right away. It will come as you learn to disengage your intellect. Just free yourself. Immerse yourself. Relax.

Christian music guide

Nevertheless, a traditional hymn may sometimes be used. For example, we’re not averse to "Holy, Holy, Holy." You may be tempted to sing this as you would have in your former church, but please note that it is sung here with changes, mainly the fact that we repeat it several times and try to sing as slowly as possible, thereby emphasizing the funereal nature of the verse.

Repetition is very important in contemporary Christian music. We repeat: Repetition is very important in contemporary Christian music. Just because a song may have one verse and one chorus does not mean that you only sing it through once. Old hymns have several verses, each of which introduces a new theological concept, and are meant to be sung once followed by "Amen." This is no longer how it’s done. The correct procedure is to sing the identical verse and chorus at least three times. Often it is preferable to repeat the verse two times initially before moving on to the chorus.

Also the worship leader may want to repeat a verse or chorus found in the middle of the song. This is signaled by “calling an audible." When this occurs, the worship leader will say the first few words of the verse or chorus he will be singing next. Sometimes, due to the similarity of the verses, this may be confusing and the overhead projector may flash several pages of text until the correct one is arrived at. Don't panic, this is normal. Just continue singing as though you know the words and soon either the correct slide will appear or a new chorus will begin.

After the verse and chorus are sung at least three times, it is permissible for the song to end. However, the chorus must first be repeated in its entirety, then the last paragraph, then the last line. When singing the last line it is important to slow down a little and look upward. Raising a hand is permissible and often done at this time. This may take a little getting used to but don't worry, if you just join in, in a short time you won't even notice and soon you will forget that you ever did it any other way.

We are just really glad you chose to share the worship experience with us today. Thank you and we hope to see you again soon.

Thank you and we hope to see you again soon. Thank you. Thank.


Comments(282)

Anonymous | 09:46 pm on 6/24/2008

Do not yell 'fire', in a crowded theater.
Do not yell 'sex' around DOOR rats.
It creates public panic.

SRebbe | 12:05 pm on 6/26/2008

or just incites more innuendo than necessary.
winkwink, nudge nudge.

can I get an Amen, BJ?

BJ | 01:17 pm on 6/26/2008

I was trying to clean up my act after reading Dog's determination to quit cussing. Someone screams SEX and blows the whole thing to hell. Now my current state is much worse than when the house was swept clean. So f*** you for screaming SEX in a horny room. You can kiss my G** D*** ass you M***** F*****.
P.S. Amen.

Doulos_tou_kuriou | 01:22 am on 6/22/2008

Oh how I laugh when I read this. Anyone who has taken any real study of theology should also respect this article's content as well. It's not a "traditional" vs. "contemporary" thing, it is strictly content for me. Regardless of how the music makes YOU feel what you sing is important. And worship music should not be so one-sided either, which most of this type of music is. What a funny and sadly true reading.
Peace be with you.

Discerner 24/7 | 11:56 am on 6/22/2008

Yes uncle I watched the videos. It's nothing I haven't seen before. I see the guest speakers are all Vineyard and one guy is from IHOP. That explains a lot. Vineyard theology is as shallow as it gets. IHOP is Mike Bickle's organization. Bickle is part of the infamous Kansas City "prophets." Bickle along with Rick Joyner,John Paul Jackson,Bob Jones,and Paul Cain are kooks!

UNCLE KENNY | 12:32 pm on 6/22/2008

Uhhmm. . .Discerner,

That's because the emphasis wasn't on speaking--it was on service and worship. I suppose you would prefer sitting around and talking about the gospel, rather than going out and doing it?

You are correct. SOS is not a Yak-fest.

Of course, as one poster already pointed out, this is a vanilla versus chocolate discussion. There is no accounting for taste or the theological implication of flavor.

However, looking at you other postings on this board, I surmise that you are a bit of a theological navel-gazer. When people disagree with your views you get mean and call their ideas shallow. What a sad existence you must live. If you ever want to actually go out and do some work, rather than just sit around in a theological circle jerk and talk about what the bible says, look me up.

Discerner 24/7 | 01:28 pm on 6/22/2008

At least the guys I listen to like R.C. Sproul,Mark Dever,Al Mohler,etc. are solid theologians. My existence is anything but sad. As I've said before I was in the Word Of Faith for 20+ years. I'm ecstatic I got out of that heretical junk! So I know how the pentecostal thing goes! I wouldn't criticize too much. After all your Vineyard nonsense brought us the "holy laughter" crap of John Arnott's Vineyard (via Rodney Howard-Browne who is "WOF" through and through) church in Toronto! As I write this Arnott has hooked up with another kook,Todd Bentley. Bentley is having another false revival this time in Lakeland Fl. Besides that you have no idea what "work" I'm doing for the Kingdom! Again I'll say if you're hooked up with Bickle God help you! Navel gazer that's good! I usually get called the Scripture police!

UNCLE KENNY | 05:48 pm on 6/22/2008

Gosh, Bob. . .do you mind if I call you Bob. . .you seem like a Bob. . .do you live in Texas by any chance?

It sounds like the WOF stuff deeply wounded you, and I am sorry for that. It is a shame when that happens, and all kidding aside, I pray that the scars heal right and don't leave you bitter much longer. I mean that.

With that said, I still have to bitch-slap you a bit with a Ray Comfort tract (that is about the only thing they are good for unless you are in a public restroom and have run out of toilet paper) for your silly posting, most of what follows is tongue and cheek, but some of it needs to be heard since you don't have your facts straight.

Anyway, discerner, that is your preferred avatar, so I guess I will use it, it is pretty darn inaccurate and naïve to perpetuate that all people that attend a Vineyard have an identical set of values and beliefs. The bad examples you attempt to use are about as sloppy as some of the reformed theology you call "solid."

Anybody, with half a brain knows that the Toronto laughter gig was more about Arnott's agenda, who quickly left the Vineyard, than it was in any way connected to the core values of the AVC. You can read all of them for yourself here:

http://www.vineyardusa.org

Let me sum it up for you since you need your theology spoon-fed to you. We care about two things deeply: Worship and Compassion. We have many other values in the "shallow" theology you claim we are driven by, but I admit those to aspects tend to color the rest of our values. Maybe you aren't a fan of George Eldon Ladd, C.S. Lewis, John White, John Wimber, Donald McGavaran and C. Peter Wagner but those are the thinkers that helped dig our well--they seemed handy with a shovel at the time. The current deep thinker in the movement is Steve Sjogren, but I really don't think you would like him since he advocates doing the bible more than sitting around and talking about.

Of course, maybe I am reading you wrong. If so, tell me about five contacts you have had with the unchurched within, oh let's say, the last month that had any impact in moving them further along the Engel scale. . .

Are those crickets I hear chirping?

Discerner 24/7 | 05:33 pm on 6/22/2008

Uncle Kenny I may have been too harsh. For that I apologize. It's just I get so sick and tired of seeing Christianity being nothing more than entertainment or being mystical. If you'd seen what I've seen in the past 25 years you'd know what I mean.

UNCLE KENNY | 06:03 pm on 6/22/2008

No problem discerner,

I absolutely agree with you on the "dog-and-pony" show.

My thing about simplicity in worship has nothing to do with entertainment.

Look, I am a Shakespeare guy, I love the way he uses language, but sometimes, a simple "I love you," is very romantic too. I like traditional hymns and contemporary worship. It is that I can sometimes dial down faster and focus on God a bit more intimately if I am not distracted by the prose. As someone with more wisdom said earlier--this is about taste, nothing more.

And I meant what I said. I will be praying for you.

Discerner 24/7 | 12:09 pm on 6/23/2008

Nothing wrong with C.S. Lewis Uncle. I would respectfully disagree about Wagner. His whole apostolic thing is weird. Him along with Bill Hamon. As far as Reformed theology goes if you think some of it is sloppy you are correct. But if you think Luther and Calvin were,if it weren't for these two giants we would not be having this conversation. We'd still be selling indulgences for the Pope! Some of the biggest evangelistic work in history was done by Reformed people. Calvinism was the majority report at the founding of this nation. Until Charles Finney showed up and messed everything up. If you want Pelagian theology you can look to Finney. Please don't fret about me I was not "wounded" by the "WOF." A little deceived like a lot of folks were. Again Reformed people do more than just talk about theology. My style may be a little too harsh for you. But it gets people thinking about what they believe.

UNCLE KENNY | 12:27 pm on 6/23/2008

Fair enough, Discerner.

UNCLE KENNY | 03:23 pm on 6/24/2008

When I say sloppy, Discrener I mean they seem to basically write themselves into a corner of contradiction with their values and belief statements. What I don't get is how can they on one hand esteem the sovereignty of God in some manners and then take a cessationist view on things like spiritual gifts. I could be wrong, but most in the Reformed camp act as if spiritual gifts died with the apostles as the Bible was completed. It is like something out of Monty Python: "Oh God of all splendor, you are so great and mighty, please don't smite us. You do such wonderful things. . .well, you once did wonderful things a long time ago. . ."

I should probably stop here since it is way off the original topic, and I am probably pissing off a bunch of people with this post. I just wanted to explain that I fall far right of the kooky, as you describe them, but also a bit left of folks that act like the Holy Spirit is now a eunuch.

Discerner 24/7 | 06:28 pm on 6/25/2008

Well Uncle not all Reformed people are cessationists. C.J. Mahaney,Josh Harris,Matt Slick are charismatic. One outspoken guy is Chris Ortiz at The Chalcedon Foundation. Go to his blogs you'll see what I mean. You think I'm "mean" check him out. He is charismatic but he can be brutal with other charismatics. Wayne Grudem used to be in the Vineyard. Now he is clearly Reformed. Me, I'm leaning to the cessationist camp. After 25 years of the WOF I'm burned out. That could change maybe. Yes indeed God is sovereign. He is not a "heavenly bellhop!"

Discerner 24/7 | 06:10 pm on 6/29/2008

Yoo Hoo! Uncle Kenny! I've just uncovered something you won't like! I found a video of C.Peter Wagner "commissioning" Todd Bentley! Wagner is endorsing the Lakeland "revival." Or should I say "dog and pony" show! Oh wait! Who is that standing with Wagner? Why it's John Arnott! I thought Arnott was discredited after Toronto! Now is Wagner still involved with Vineyard? If he is then Vineyard has a problem!

Lilly | 07:28 pm on 6/29/2008

Shhhhhh!
Don't wake Uncle Kenny up.
He's sleeping.
He spent that whole week with kids, and now he is exhausted.

SRebbe | 04:50 pm on 6/23/2008

have we completely lost our way by confining worship strictly to one area: music? and only a particular genre at that -- "praise and worship" music. it has also become very individualized and "me" focused, where we are focusing on ourselves, our feelings, and what we are doing instead of what the object of worship is. we want to be seen, heard, acknowledged. we want to "feel" something. and when we don't, the "worship" wasn't good or didn't "reach" us. us? huh?

worship is supposed to be action, a lifestyle, where we give and sacrifice our all, not perform or watch others perform.

this is what we have watered it down to once a week -- a concert.

even though I perform these weekly "concerts," I keep reminding myself that this isn't everything that encompasses worship -- and also pass along this info to those who "congratulate" me for "serving" (I hate receiving praise for "serving" -- I'm playing an instrument which is no less holy than preaching or more holy than setting up chairs).

my 2 cents.

Discerner 24/7 | 05:03 pm on 6/23/2008

Good post SRebbe worship is actually all of life. You know,"whatever you do ,do in the name of Lord." That's how the word worship is misunderstood. A lot of today's Christians hear that word and to them it means break out the guitars,keyboards,and overhead projectors. Much more to it than that.

Anonymous | 05:45 pm on 6/24/2008

Leave me with the satan worshiping family down the street, the one with the good albums

budda | 09:25 pm on 6/24/2008

You live next door to the Osborns?

beerbird | 09:07 am on 6/25/2008

Shoot, y'all, I don't normally take the time to play on the computer like this. I've got sermons to write and weddings to do this weekend.

This is all too funny the way we get uptight when our cow is gored. The worship chorus has been around at least since the late 16th century. I about died in Seminary when we had to learn a song by Heinrich Schuetz. In Voce Tubae. We had an all male chorus of about 50 men singing repeatedly, In the voice of the tuba. In the voice of the loud tuba....

By the way Wesley's And Can it Be has been given a new melody that is a blast to sing.

Most all of this music will disappear once the record companies quit promoting it. Then the good will survive and the rest will be quietly left behind with the voice of the loud tuba and Schuetz.

SRebbe | 11:58 am on 6/26/2008

I prefer my sacred cow medium rare with a tad of hot sauce or a good honey mustard. no tomato right now because of the salmonella potential.

yes, tubas. loud, clanging tubas filled with shaving cream. and a quiet, unassuming college dorm bathroom provides the best acoustics.

so I'm told.

SRebbe | 12:14 pm on 6/26/2008

...and I do remember doing a baroque piece from days of choir in yore with "voce tubae" for some reason. had to learn it for competition. man, we made fun of that song. that part of the song got quite loud and obnoxious. it was supposed to be "booming".

btw, the piece was written before Bach and Schuetz was considered one of the most important composers in Germany. so when you see a tuba, think Schuetz.

Anonymous | 02:46 pm on 7/08/2009

Hey Beerbird....
Correction...The first praise choir that I know of was instituted by Jehoshaphat in II Chron. 20:21-22 to be used to lead the army.

Anonymous | 09:25 am on 6/25/2008

This is the song that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Someone started singing it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because,
This is the song that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends . . . (ad infinitum)

An old youth group travel song almost as good as "Found a Peanut"

revcsg | 09:33 am on 6/25/2008

As a preacher in a church that has 3 services -- one in a chapel, one with the praise choruses and one with traditional hymns -- I think there is much to satirize about both. Praise hymns can seem endlessly repetitive; hymns can be mind-numbing, especially if sung to the beat of a funeral dirge. But both can also be amazingly uplifiting and put one's focus on God, which is exactly why we sing in the first place. I love rocking out with the guitar and drums, but I'm equally blown away by a talented organist. Both the form and the verbal content can speak to me. But Dale, your article has a valid point. Praise music that repeats the same chorus endlessly is not uplifting, at least to me. 6 verses of a Wesley hymn can be equally so. It's about rythmn, intention and sensitivity. We don't have to elevate one over the other, but just realize that some find praise more to their liking and some prefer the standards. And its good to be exposed from time to time to the one that you're less comfortable with, because you might be surprised by the Spirit!

A1 | 10:56 am on 6/25/2008

During a concert in Taos New Mexico, Carrie Underwood revealed her original song meant to be sang on American Idol.
“Simon freaked when he first heard it, and cried after I did the revision, Jesus Take the Wheel. In the long run, it all worked out just like Romans 8:28 says.”

Jesus Give Me Wheels

She was writing as she was watching Ken Copeland on TBN
A check for money only in the Spirit realm
Hoping and declaring things with her mouth
Five hundred dollars, with no milk for her baby, and her old car in the shop
Her faith was strong …
She claimed a lot, knew God wouldn’t let her down
She was going to fast
Benny Hinn came on next, blowing at the aud – i- ence
She fell down, her life before her eyes,
She wrote another check,
She was so full of faith,
She threw her hands up in the air,

“Jesus give me wheels
Put it in my hands
I want to drive it home
While not holding on
The steering wheel
Just gimme the chance
Get me on the road
Jesus give me wheels”

She was getting poorer as she sent more money
And the banks froze her check - ing account
She cried, wiped the tears from her eyes realizing no more green
And for the hundredth time for a long time
She confessed, “A car is what I need
It can be a Ford or a Chevy,
But I’d like Porsche or Lexus
With a full tank of gas
Starting tonight,

Jesus give me wheels

Put it in my hands
I’m confessing with my mouth
And declaring a Hummer 2
by faith, filled with gasoline
To put me on the road
To put me on the road I walk
Jesus give me wheels

Oh, I’m not doubting it
My faith is strong,
Believing for the car I need
Deserve it cause I’m a child-god of the King
I’ll be on the road soon,
Jesus give me wheels
Oh give it to me, give it to me, I call it done
Ooooooh, soooooon! Sooooon!

SRebbe | 12:03 pm on 6/26/2008

I take it you've never seen Tim Hawkins "Cletus Take the Reel"

BJ | 01:20 pm on 6/26/2008

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV ?
Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me.
I wait for delivery each day until three,
So oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?
I'm counting on you, Lord, please don't let me down.
Prove that you love me and buy the next round,
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?

Everybody!
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends,
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

That's it!

Dr. Dewey | 12:19 pm on 6/25/2008

"Could we with ink the ocean fill,
And were the skies of parchment made,
Were every stalk on earth a quill,
And every man a scribe by trade;
To write the love of God above,
Would drain the ocean dry,
Nor could the scroll,
Contain the whole, though stretched
From sky to sky."

Guess many would have to look up "parchment" and "quill" but few songs of any sort touch my heart (olive oiley) like this one. A tad bit better than "Yes, Lord, Yes, Lord, etc etc etc

We teach kids to appreciate Shakespeare, and even Robert Frost, why not How Great Thou Art? HOORAY for you Lutherans who enjoy the old hymns. And I'm one of those ubiquitous Baptists.

60613 | 01:38 pm on 6/25/2008

Another hilarious discussion over a fatuous situation which hasn't changed since I blew out of church 30 years ago.

Doesn't anyone realize that hymnals are crammed full of really bad theology? They're supposed to be devotional - not scripture!

Well, at least the non-catholic churches were spared the guitar singing garbage of Vatican II.

Dr. Dewey | 02:24 pm on 6/25/2008

Hooray for you young Lutherans who appreciate hymns. The greatest and deepest song of all time is "Yes, Lord, ad infinitum. LEARN to appreciate the old ones, they are great just like Shakespeare is, even better.

Mr. Toad | 04:15 pm on 6/25/2008

Dale you are a Trip!

I know Dale. And I must say that if he was to verbally deliver this piece with his normal tones and dare I say "devilish grin" you all would be in stitches (unless you wrote one of those brainless "songs"). You would also find out that you could not theologically slap him around all that easily, as suggested above.

You should also note, as apparent by the sheer volume of the responses, that he actually made some of you think and feel. Isn't that a healthy thing? God gave you a brain, use it!

GOSG

matt | 04:20 pm on 6/25/2008

Well said, Dale.

amergin | 10:54 am on 6/26/2008

WOW! Normally I don't read junk like this but a friend thought everyone's comments were funny and sent it to me for a good laugh. Having read the comments I found it a bit infuriating. We wonder why the world rightly calls us hypocrites. We become so bogged down in the minutiae that we forget to keep the main thing the main thing. I guess we forgot to "Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ." Eph. 5:19-20. Do you really think the Lord cares what kind of songs we sing or that they may be slightly off theologically or more importantly that we have a heart of worship? I've been a worship leader for nearly 20 years and try to work all styles into the service. Old and new. Who cares if I don't like it...because it may touch someone's heart and bring them into a closer and deeper relationship with the Lord.

I'll close with a CCM hymn by Matt Redman.

When the music fades
And all is stripped away
And I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless your heart

I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the ways things appear
You're looking into my heart

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You
All about You, Jesus
I'm sorry Lord for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You
It's all about You Jesus

King of endless worth
No one could express
How much You deserve
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is Yours
Every single breath

I'll bring You more than just a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You
All about You, Jesus
I'm sorry Lord for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You
It's all about You Jesus

Its all about you
Jesus

BJ | 02:17 pm on 6/26/2008

20 years, wow. Have you ever had sex with one of your choir members? If not, have you ever fantasized about it? What worship song would you want playing while you had sex with one of your choir members? Has your choir ever seen your member?

budda | 02:36 pm on 6/26/2008

I'm not exactly sure why, but this guy really pissed me off too. I wrote several nasty comments but never posted until SReeb saved me. But sometimes good things do come to those who wait.

VenerableBean | 08:53 pm on 5/13/2009

"Do you really think the Lord cares what kind of songs we sing or that they may be slightly off theologically or more importantly that we have a heart of worship?"

Your kidding right? So... your saying Our Lord doesn't care if we are theologically off... REALLY? Does that work in math? Does it work in music? Does this reflect the Perfection of God? Does this reflect leading the leading us into all truth that Our Lord speaks of before is Glorious Ascension?

So, if my hymn or praise chorus implies that Jesus wasn't fully God, that's ok? Or if it implies that God is basically a genni that wants to bless me financially if I "claim my blessing", that is ok? If it denies the Trinity or claims, as Arius did, that there was a time when the Son was not, that is ok? As long as I love this nebulous deity that I'm not really sure to Whom I'm singing, and as long as I throw in the word Jesus, this is ok? As long as we get the warm fuzzies over this generic God.. we're all good. As long as the music is as insipid as possible, this is ok? If it's goosebumps, it must be Jesus.

Is a Bic Mac and Fries as healthy as a proper meal? Am I a high falootin' snob because I want something more healthy? How is my spiritual diet any different than that which I wish to ingest for my body? It is a contemporary and strongly American attitude that to be more "low brow" is some how more sincere or genuine. This is RUBBISH! Or just as bad, aping pop culture as a substitute for the secular in a useless attempt to be "relevant".

Anonymous | 10:37 am on 10/13/2009

i agreed with most of what you said, and then you had to put the lyrics from THAT song. Amazing that a song that claims to be all about Jesus, is actually more about US and what WE are doing.

SRebbe | 12:24 pm on 6/26/2008

welcome to the group, amergin.
this is the usual way things are done here -- open discussion. we may not always agree with each other and that is accepted; that's why there's a comment board. thanks for your comments and feel free to drop in anytime.

budda | 12:42 pm on 6/26/2008

Good job, SReeb, I was going to go a different rout, but your way was probably better.

Process Deist | 12:56 pm on 6/26/2008

The girl is pure class.
Perfect manners.

BJ | 01:37 pm on 6/26/2008

I agree budda. What she said is much better than my, "go f*** yourself."

budda | 01:45 pm on 6/26/2008

Man, I love this place. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Are you on Facebook, BJ?

BJ | 12:54 pm on 6/27/2008

No facebook. Just a myspace page I rarely visit.

budda | 11:54 pm on 6/28/2008

The reason i ask is that a few of the regulars put up a Door community page there. If you get time you should check it out. Some of 'em are asking if yer gonna be there.

BJ | 12:10 pm on 6/29/2008

Thanks for letting me know. I'll check it out.

Pink Floyd | 10:43 pm on 6/26/2008

Well done, Dale, and congrats on being nailed to the W. Door! I don't think I am in the demographic for Christian karaoke, so I get a little annoyed when the congregation is subjected to "another cool song the worship leader heard on his iPod this week." The music plays, the words are on the screen, and we sing along to a song we have never heard before. I much prefer hymns and choruses that undergird and support Christian thought, as opposed to those that seem to suggest "God is my boyfriend and, wow, have we got this great thing going."

Vic | 08:47 pm on 6/29/2008

I recall that long ago songs were used partially to teach those who don't/can't read - so if you think about it, the new hymns could be teaching those who won't/don't/can't study the Bible.

So, if that's even somewhat true - then they are learning what?

Maybe that's why it's so repetitive. "My Redeemer lives, My Redeemer lives... "

However, the Lutheran shy away from hymns that use ME and MY or I, and move toward the use of WE and US in hymns.

I've noticed CCM uses I and ME a lot.

John H. | 11:26 pm on 6/29/2008

Wow, the Wittenburg Door is still out there. I wonder, though, if the electronic format means that they can publish on time, or if they are still constantly late? And, do they still have the cartoon, "Dogs Who Know The Lord?" Love you, Doorknobs!

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