The Copeland/Huckabee Love Affair

01/27/2008


Huckabee & Copeland

Billionaire evangelist oilman cattle rancher Kenneth Copeland, who sits so high atop the “prosperity gospel” pyramid that he has hundreds of “franchise” churches whose pastors send money back up the pipeline, spent much of his annual ministers conference last week talking about how he stonewalled the Senate Finance Committee, then boasted about having Mike Huckabee on his team.

“Kenneth Copeland, I will stand with you!” Huckabee yelled over the phone, according to Copeland. “You’re trying to get prosperity to the people, and they’re [the Senate] trying to take it away from ‘em. I will stand with you anytime, anywhere, on any issue!”

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You can watch the whole speech here, but basically Copeland is saying that he offered to hide his close relationship with Huckabee—the ex-governor had recently recorded a full week of televised “Bible studies” with Copeland, who constantly huckstered Huckabee’s ten-year-old book—but Huckabee said he would gladly oppose the Senate’s investigation of Copeland and others because “they only have an 11 percent approval rating.”

Every year Copeland invites about 1,000 fellow prosperity-gospel ministers to his church/broadcasting facility/ranch/natural gas field/airstrip in Newark, Texas, a few miles north of Fort Worth, for a three-day conference. This year he shut down the conference after two of the days and convened some kind of separate session with the same ministers that would protect his 501(3)(c) tax exemption while he raised campaign funds for Huckabee. Reports on Thursday morning were that he’d come up with $111,000 in immediate cash, plus an additional million bucks in pledges, which would work out to around $1,000 per pastor. (These sorts of fundraising efforts with the Copeland “family” are fairly common. About 30 pastors raised $2.1 million for Copeland’s 70th birthday celebration a year ago.)

The Door left messages for Huckabee and his press secretary over the weekend, but they were not returned.

Copeland spent much of the three-day ministers conference reassuring his fellow pastors that all their ministries were safe from the prying eyes of the Congress. He repeatedly made a distinction between the Congress and the Internal Revenue Service, saying that he recognized the executive branch but not the legislative when it came to oversight. He was especially upset by a request that he reveal the donors to a “special offering” made to himself and his wife for the 40th anniversary of their ministry and said that he’d “promised to God” never to give any information to anyone about that, even if it means prison or death. He frequently mentioned receiving direct instructions from “the Lord,” including instructions to put Mike Huckabee on his television show, Believer’s Voice of Victory.

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During his six programs with Huckabee, airing in November, the two men reminisced about their friendship and Huckabee’s political career in Arkansas, with occasional excursions into scripture. Neither of them distinguished themselves as Biblical scholars, but Huckabee’s comments were especially lame as he seemed to be sucking up to “Brother Kenneth” in discussing passages like James 1:3: “It is the trying of your faith that works patience.”

Huckabee’s read on that passage was that he used to think “trying” meant a trial of faith. (This is what 99 percent of commentators for the past 2000 years have also believed it meant.) But then, the more he thought about it, the more he thought the key word was “try.” It meant to “keep trying,” and every time you fail, to try again. “I tried tithing and it didn’t work. Well, try it again. I tried it three or four times. Well, try it again.” Huckabee’s view: it doesn’t mean to be patient when God sends trials, it means to assert yourself—in other words, the opposite of its apparent meaning. Since the Greek word for “try” as in “trial” and the Greek word for “try” as in “attempt” are two different words, Huckabee’s exegesis of this particular scripture is not only demonstrably wrong as a matter of fact, but he seems to be insisting on it as a way to support Copeland’s emphasis on tithing, which is the source of his fortune.

There are other examples scattered through the week, including some statements by Huckabee that, no matter what office he holds, “my only client is Jesus.”

Other highlights from the minister’s conference:

• Copeland seems puzzled by the fact that Senator Charles Grassley, who is spearheading the Senate investigation, was also the author of the Church Protection Act.

• Copeland talks about his natural gas company and says that the Senate’s suspicions about the source of that wealth are “bull.”

• Copeland’s characterization of his answer to Senator Grassley: “We gave them a several page lesson on ‘No’. . . . We gave them the address of the Internal Revenue Service in Washington, D.C.”

• Copeland assures everyone that he’s personally been a billionaire “a long time” and that his ministry has taken in $1.3 billion over 41 years. “I’m the seed of Abraham. The seed of Abraham are known for being rich. I’m a Jew. I’m a rich Jew backed by a richer Jew. God loves me just as much as he loves Jesus.”

Editor's note: Confronted about the Copeland statements on "Meet the Press," Huckabee did not deny that he said what Copeland said he said.

(This story includes reporting by John Bloom, Pete Evans of the Trinity Foundation, and Harry Guetzlaff of the Trinity Foundation. The Trinity Foundation press release can be found here. See our Copeland Collection here.)


Comments(327)

Watcher | 02:09 pm on 2/04/2008

I'll add that anyone associated with Copeland or taking up for him is guilty of all Copeland's sins! "In Attendance" gets the Kool Aid in my book....he's also the Kool Aid carrier!!

Copeland has been lying and twisting scripture so long, and making up his imaginary conversations with God, that he doesn't know where the truth begins and his lies end. For example, "God is about this tall" and "God's hand span is about this big." What an idiot!

All for the name of greed and money! Foolish wolf.....can't wait to see his demise! Come Senator Grassley ....quickly!!

Texan | 02:18 pm on 2/04/2008

We have three wolves here in San Antonio, and this same type of blog going on at www.mysanantonio.com, click on blogs. The wolves here are John Hagee, Rick Godwin, and Rick Hawkins (Paula White's "friend.")

I know that the newspaper has to be very careful about what they say and how they say it b/c these pimps will sue for anything and everything!! Spending more of the flock's tithe money......

The papers/news research and verify everything they print so they won't get sued. Believe me, if anything here was unsubstantiated, the Door wouldn't have printed it.

But it is fun to watch the preachers crying in the pulpit about how they've been defamed, lied to, the liberal presses fault, etc. It's a real show!!

Anonymous | 11:01 pm on 1/31/2008

Typical pimpery....a little too neat and clean and too much covering of Kenny's....uh...er....privates!!

No Kool-Aid for me Mr. Anonymous-In Attendance.....I'll pass that cup...thanks!!

I slurped on Hagee's Kool Aid for over 15 years ....no more for me!!

But nice try......

JustMe | 12:03 am on 2/01/2008

And so tell us about the comments Copeland *did not* make about Huckabee supporting him because the senate committee only has an 11% approval rating....
Copeland's comments aside, for a presidential candidate to carry on a fundraising activity at a meeting of an organization under senate investigation is unethical. Plain and simple.

In Attendance | 12:45 am on 2/01/2008

You falsely mix comments trying to mislead. You imply that I would also deny the "11% approval" statement. I did not and would not. Copeland DID make that statement and there is video of it. That said, only Copeland and Huckabee know whether Copeland's statement accurately convey's any actual convesation between he and Huckabee. Any discussion by us of the actual content of their would be pure speculation - which I don't do. But I do find it interesting that the anti-Copeland group, who so strongly accuse him of being a liar and exagerator, suddenly fully take him at his word as to what he claims the Govenor said. The double standard of the attackers is what has no credibility.

That being said, there is nothing unethical about individual supporters of Huckabee, or any other canidate, looking for financial support from any gathering of people who might be of a similar political mindset. The meeting was NOT part of the KCM event - even Ole's source (Doug Wead) reported that it was a separate meeting.

Elmer Gantry | 03:48 pm on 1/30/2008

On average, who has more contempt for Kenneth Copeland’s followers, atheists or Kenneth Copeland?

Anonymous | 04:15 pm on 1/30/2008

CALLING ALL CHRIST AND GOD FOLLOWERS:
why don't we beleive that our God is powerful enough to be protecting us as we are his children.
let god do all our worrying for us and we just continue to love,care for and support people and spread the Gosple?When the time comes,God will expose the truths and the lies.

PimpAlert | 11:03 pm on 1/31/2008

Ugh,...I think he already is exposing the lies....

pooper725 | 04:38 pm on 1/30/2008

Great - just what America needs: a rich, (self-proclaimed) jewish, anti-separation of powers, pro-taliban power behind the Huckabee presidential throne.

I wonder if he'll get the ambassadorship to Breat Britain? Or some plum cabinet position?

We've already had eight years of this crap - we don't need more!

Anonymous | 04:42 pm on 1/30/2008

I just read a story about Haitians having to eat mud in order to stop the pains of hunger and then I see these so called men of G-d worried about who is going to see how much money they receive. F*ck them all to hell!!!!!! >8^(

Anonymous | 04:52 pm on 1/30/2008

How is Jesus Christ glorified by any of this tripe?

KsDanny | 05:38 pm on 1/30/2008

I have read all these posts and it is amazing how lacking in spiritual descernment those that claim the name of Jesus are these days. The word of faith movement that is propigated by the likes of Copeland and Duplantis and others is out and out heresy. Jesus is the promise of Abraham. All the nations of the world are blessed in Him ( if they chose to believe God and be born again). I have heard Copeland rail against dignitaries ( satan) and we are warned not to do that. We are told by them that because we are the head and not the tail we can ask anything in Jesus name and it will be done for us. It is true the scripture says that but God the Father is not gonna answer our prayers of covetessness because we tag our prayers with the"name" of Jesus. To come in His name means to have His character and therefore we will then be standing in His position of authority and because we are walking by the guidance of His Spirit we will be obedient to the Father and therefore be about the Fathers will and thats what He will respond to. That is not what these people teach. They, like satan use the scripture to decieve.
On the topic of judging: we will be judged the way we judge. I also don't think that Copeland or any of the other false teachers can be considered brothers. They are preaching a different gospel than what Brother Paul of Tarsus taught by the guidance of the Holy Spirit as recorded in the scripture and are leading many astray.

As far as Mike Huckabee goes, here is something I have learned as I have worked in the business world. Anyone that uses their title as a christian to gain an advantage in doing business with you is manipulating and in my experience will betray you the first chance they get. That is not Gods fault its ours for not having more descernment. Those of us that are of the eklesia ( called out ones) don't use that badge as a means to get in your pocket. God the Father has promised to provide our daily bread and we need not to manipulate or conjure up schemes because His provision is always enough and never late. If we do anymore than trust Him for it we are sowing to our flesh and will of the flesh reap corruption.

As far as I can see the only ligitmate candidate out there is Ron Paul. Unfortunatly I don't believe they will ever let him get elected, but I'm still gonna vote for him because at least for now we still have that right under the law.

In the end it won't matter because Our Father in heaven is sovereign and what He declared will come to pass and is in fact coming to pass. The spirit of anti Christ ( instead of Christ) is here and the American "church" better wake up and realize they are the one spoken of in the book of Revalation that is riding the beast.

Repent and get back to your first love.
Come out from amongst them and be ye seperate. If you are a friend of the world you are at enmity with God.

WLM | 08:06 pm on 1/30/2008

Oh gosh, Ron Paul????
The guy that wants to do away with Social Security, Medicare, anything in which all contribute to the common good? The guy who thinks that private capital will solve all the ills and needs in society? What about the poor and disenfranchised that Jesus knew couldn't take care of themselves and pull them up by their own bootstraps? A society that Ron Paul dreams of certainly wouldn't take care of them!
We have socialized: police, firemen, schools, roads, and much more.. There are certain things that we must pool together and provide for ALL citizens, and the most urgent is healthcare for all, and the USA is the ONLY industrialized nation in the world that hasn't done that yet (and you wonder why we have the highest infant mortality, a low life expectancy, etc. etc). Ron Paul would take us back to the dark ages where the rich were rich, and kept the poor in their place.

Anonymous | 10:04 pm on 1/30/2008

To KSDanny:

Copeland preaches his interpretation on the bible and here to are you preaching what you've been raised on.

It's all religion and it all depends on how you choose to interpret biblical stories and verses within their contextual surroundings but you, nomore so than Copeland, have the corner on just what is biblical and what isn't.

I've followed along his particular ideologies as well as ideologies that apparently came from the same sources you are leaning on here and either way, could be, could not be.

It is only relevent as to what your mindset is and if you've been already brainwashed to believe a certain way. But no one religion has the corner on most of what has ever been preached on out of the bible to date.

One person will tell you all you have to do is believe while another will tell you not so, there are acts that you need to perfomr and adhere to in order to be saved or whatnot and both could find scriptural basis for their arguements.

That is why there are so many denominations within the same Christian religion. None are all wrong and none are all right.

Margaret | 10:49 am on 1/31/2008

Your entire post is filled with nothing but religious doctrinal differences and has no validity whatsoever in refuting Copelands take on biblical matters.

The bible is written in such a way that a hundred different religious bents could take the same scriptural referrence and turn it around to mean what those particular ideologies would have it believe.

I've listened to Copeland and he doesn't do anything that any other ministers doesn't do. What he is doing and the mainstream religious organization doesn't like is giving people a different take on matters of which the mainstream religious organization would prefer you adhere to.

Copelands prosperity message is in fact biblical but anyone who thinks you can just sow a seed in tithing and your crabapple tree in the backyard will miraculously begin to grow and drop dollars into your pocket is not listening very closely to the entire message being delivered.

Do we hold everyone accountable when someone refuses to hear the message as it is being delivered, instead choosing to try and take an easier route?

Robert Winkler Burke | 07:26 pm on 1/30/2008

Copeland, the man who teaches to be careful what words are spoken under the anointing, said in the video..."That is something I'll go to prison over...So just get to it!" And from the audience you hear "Hallelujah" and applause.

I am fascinated by how God confirms or denies truth being spoken via Mark 16:20 Signs. Such double entendres are fascinating, because only God could orchestrate such rich irony.

In the past Copeland has made similar mistakes. He repeatedly has told his audiences that in the old days, congregations wanted to keep their pastors humble and poor. Repeatedly he strongly states, "NOT THIS PREACHER!" In other words, he will neither be poor nor humble. So under the annointing he says he'll be rich and proud.

I find this fascinating. Here we see God's hand at work for all who have eyes to see, but blindness and pride at work in all who do not.

WLM | 07:52 pm on 1/30/2008

Whatever.
Even though I am a Christian, I will not vote for anyone who:
1) Believes that Jesus will return tomorrow, and thus doesn't give a fig for the future of this planet or it's inhabitants
2) Believes that an attack on Israel will usher in the End Times , and thus sees confict in the Middle East as kick-starting The Rapture, and roots enthusiastically for it (ref. GW Bush)
3) Believes that God will give him a personal, audible message on how to govern this nation (again, ref. GW Bush)
4) Hates the United Nations because he believes The AntiChrist will use the United Nations for evil and to oppose the divinely established USofA.

Most conservative evangelicals believe these things, and I don't think Huckabee thinks any differently, though he will "dress it up" and make it acceptable to the less religious or less conservative.

Anonymous | 08:57 pm on 1/30/2008

What we all need to do is get up on Sunday morning and attend the church of your choice and NEVER send any money to these tv pastors!! Tithe to your local church and God WILL bless you!
I know because He has blessed me.

Margaret | 09:57 pm on 1/30/2008

Careful annonymous, you could get accused of trying to get little old ladies to tithe money they don't have to some local church that is every bit as bad as some apparently think Copeland is.

Why is it we judge poorer ministers and their local ministries as safer bets then the wealthy ones?

Every crook has got to start somewhere.

bob | 10:21 pm on 1/30/2008

funny I wouldn't accuse annonymous of that. Sound like you have a beef with all ministers instead of looking at what they do to fullfill the mission of christ through word and deed. which by the way was what the article was about

Margaret | 11:01 pm on 1/30/2008

I wasn't really accusing annonymous of anything and I didn't really mean that all ministers are crooks but I still stand behind the rest of my statement.

Why should we think a local, less then wealthy, minsters is any less capable of greed and misuse than a wealthy one?

Copeland was a mediocre, less than wealthy, minister at one time who just happen to get a much larger following than most preachers get. Maybe it was his connestions that helped, I don't really care.

He is doing more to spread the book then anyone here is, as far as I am concerned anything that gets people to read the bible is just fine with me. And if he happend to skim more then others think he deserves, I don't care about that either.

He tells people repeatedly to read their own bibles, learn to discern for themselves, if they overlook that part of his preaching then that is their problem. It's the churches that lie to the people and tell them they need someone else to understand the bible but no where does Jesus say this. In fact he says that "if anyone believes in him then the holy spirit will give them all the discerment of spiritual things they could ever need."

So many people have their own religious bents on the bible, me, I will let the spirit inside of me lead my own thinking.

Anonymous | 07:53 pm on 1/31/2008

THE DIFFERENCE IN TITHING TO YOUR LOCAL CHURCH AND SENDING MONEY TO A TV PREACHER IS:
IN A LOCAL CHURCH,YOU AS A MEMBER, HAVE A SAY IN WHERE, WHEN AND WHAT THE CHURCHES MONEY GOES TO! WITH TV PREACHERS, YOU DON'T.
A CHURCH IS RUN DEMOCRATICALLY, A TV MINISTRY IS A DICTATORSHIP.
IN A LOCAL CHURCH A TITHE IS 10% OF YOUR EARNINGS FOR THAT WEEK, MONTH, OR PAYPERIOD. NO LOCAL PASTOR WILL EVER ASK FOR 100% OF YOUR MONEY; IF HE DOES---RUN FAST.
A LOCAL CHURCH WILL GIVE TO SOMEONE (LITTLE OLD LADY) INSTEAD OF TAKING.
YOUR LOCAL CHURCH (IF GIVEN A CHOICE) WOULD RATHER SEE YOU THAN SEE YOUR MONEY!!!!
A LOCAL PASTOR AS WELL AS THE CHURCH IS IN THE BUSINESS OF SAVING SOULS. TV PASTORS WANT TO SAVE YOUR MONEY( FOR HIMSELF.
AND ................
IN A LOCAL CHURCH YOUR TITHE ( 10%) GOES TO THE CHURCH INSTEAD OF THE PASTORS POCKET. THE PASTOR IS PAID A SALARY OR A LOVE OFFERING AND ANY MEMBER CAN ASK AND BE TOLD HOW MUCH THAT IS.
WITH A TV PREACHER, IT TAKES A SENATE OR HOUSE HEARING. TV PREACHERS WILL LIE BUT YOUR TREASURER OF YOUR LOCAL CHURCH WILL NOT.
THERE IS A BIG BIG BIG DIFFERENCE.
AANNDD MINISTERS ARE NOT CROOKS ; DICTATORS ARE.
I WON'T PREACH ha-ha ANY MORE.
AMEN

RevJosh | 10:23 pm on 1/30/2008

Amen!

Margaret | 09:54 pm on 1/30/2008

The sad part is that all the people here who are so quick to condemn someone as guilty when an investigation has not yet given any proof of any illegal activity is just so pathetic.

A neighbor of mine did this just the other day and her only reason she believed Copeland was guilty of illegal activity was because he was too rich.

LOL!

It is just plain jealousy that most people here are judging the man and they can toss out things like " all tele-evagels are scammers" or " Look at the Bakers" and whatever nonsense they want to toss out, bottom line is pure jealousy and it isn't pretty at all.

In fact it is far more damaging to judge others than what they are trying to judge Copeland of doing. I've personally not given the man a dime, I give to no ministries, not even local churches, but I can smell jealousy when it gets too close.

Anyone here walk on water today????

Anonymous | 10:14 pm on 1/30/2008

yeah I did it really cold out side

Margaret | 09:49 am on 1/31/2008

That is good, I walk on it everyday, it's a hobby of mine.

Anonymous | 10:24 pm on 1/30/2008

you have a lot of anger

Anonymous | 12:11 am on 2/01/2008

Margaret,
You sound like you're the only one who's walked on water today....you need to chill....you're ranting! I don't think pointing out that wrong is just plain wrong, constitutes jealousy!! Get a grip girl!!

Anonymous | 06:42 am on 2/02/2008

Margaret for gosh sakes wake up! Yes we don't know for sure if Kenny has done anything illegal! The word of faith is a false movement! Take it from me I was in this junk 20+ years. When guys like Kenny claim that he (Kenny) "could've defeated the devil in his own domain if he only had the same revelation knowledge that Jesus had!" The same Kenny who said that Christians "are as much the incarnation as Jesus is!" On and on it goes! What Kenneth Copeland teaches is not historical "mainstream" Christianity! How about this biggie? Kenny also said that "Adam in the garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh!" You smell jealousy? I smell false doctrine and it reeks!

Toby Collins | 04:13 am on 1/31/2008

I love Kenneth Copeland...I support his ministry big time!!! By their fruit you will know them and until you are winning more souls to the Lord then Kenneth Copeland ministries I may listen a bit to your jealous negativity but until then lets keep the unity of the Faith and win our Nations to Jesus Christ!

Bouldergeist | 08:47 am on 1/31/2008

By their fruits ye shall know them ... by that metric, Christianity is utterly rotten. You have con-artists like Copeland, Hinn, Popoff, Warnke, Larson, Robberson, Crouch, et al., ad nauseum who can only prosper on the backs of your unbridled stupidity.

The "new man in Christ" obviously loses about 30 I.Q. points at the outset.

I also note for the record that even the Doormice can't handle this truth.

Margaret | 09:43 am on 1/31/2008

That is because most of Christianity has been given a false rendering of the bible.

They are brainwashed to think that all they have to do is profess their belief that Jesus dies, rose from the dead and was received into heaven fully clothed in his earthly form.

And then they need do nothing else, they can be pompous and ignoring of their own faults, all the while pointing their fingers at others perceived/real faults or; they think it is a carte blanche to continue being backbiting, lying, cheating or worse, all the traits they possessed before they professed a belief in Jesus.

They rarely even know what their bibles say about what it really means to be in salvation mode but that is the church's fault because it has taught to those this propagation of lies so that they in turn would go out into the smaller congregations and teach the same things.

Rare is the man, or woman, who is able to truly think for themselves and is not so easily mislead by the words of others. The majority of mankind is prone to mob mentality, whether this is because it is easier, I'm not sure, but it is a fact.

Bouldergeist | 05:14 pm on 1/31/2008

Don't look now, but Joseph Smith said the same thing....

As for me, the evidence tells me that Jesus is dead, and Copeland, Larson, Hinn, Crouch, et al, ad nauseum is proof beyond cavil. That your god is indistinguishable from a stone idol is not my problem any more.

If I couldn't sell it to anyone else, how can I sell it to myself?

Anonymous | 12:22 am on 2/01/2008

Margaret said, "The majority of mankind is prone to mob mentality"....that would be everyone but you of course....right?

Are you related to the pimps? You sound a lot like them!!

MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE | 10:15 am on 1/31/2008

COPELAND IS A FALSE TEACHER,, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NAME IT CLAIM IT JARGON. HE IS NOT WINNING SOULS FOR CHRIST BUT FOR A FALSE GOSPEL. PEOPLE ONLY LOVE HIM,AND HIS KIND BECAUSE HE MAKES FALSE, LYING PROMISES. HE CAN NOT SAVE SOULS ANYWAY,, BECAUSE ONLY GOD CAN DRAW SOULS TO SALVATION

LORD PLEASE OPEN THE EYES OF THE BLIND, THAT IS FOLLOWING THIS DEMONIC MAN.

Anonymous | 12:24 am on 2/01/2008

Toby Collins,
Copeland preaches a false doctrine called the Prosperity Gospel...he also preaches a fake Jesus. If you follow him, you are probably not saved since he does not preach the Jesus of the Bible. Common sense says you are not saved if you follow this heretic.

BoycottTBN | 02:31 pm on 2/04/2008

Toby,
The "fruit" is pretty rotten and stinky....better open your eyes friend!

If the pimps are preaching a "fake jesus" (and they are) how can you think that they are leading anyone to the real Jesus? If you are saved under a false god, are you really saved!!

Wake up and think!!

nonus | 08:50 am on 1/31/2008

Why is it the people who scream about people judging show themselves to be judgemental in their posts?

David | 08:56 am on 1/31/2008

Its fun easy and no guilt because they are superior.

Margaret | 09:37 am on 1/31/2008

Look non-thinking person, if by my judging post you may just mean me, then I can judge, I'm not a Christian, I'm not bound by the same laws and admonishments as those who make a pledge to follow this or that leader, in which case, they shouldn't judge, and those were the ones with whom I was referring.

Of course you would know this if you had the ability to comprehend anything.

When a person who judges another unjustly and yet calls themselves a follower of the teaching of non-judgement, which a Christian is, or at least suppose to be, if they knew a wit about their bible, then they open themselves up for the same kind of judgments.

Judge not, lest ye be judged in the same manner you judged.

This is a religious tenet, of which I am not, thankfully. I can read the bible and study it so that I can engage in intellectual and honest debate on what is in the bible but that doesn't make me religious or a Christian, nor have I ever claimed to be anything other than a scholar of biblical knowledge.

Oh, and if you think your seemingly confused and innocent question points to any intellectual discernment you might possess, you are wrong. It

nonus | 09:03 am on 2/01/2008

Margaret, I was not talking about you but the people using random out of context bible verses for posts on the previous comment pages. rhetorical question

Anonymous | 09:57 am on 2/01/2008

Kudos for Nonus for taking the high road and not choosing to continue the insulting like so many other posts and threads. It would be good to return the comment section back to discussion about the topic. that is one of the things I like about the wittenburg door its a bit more civil and thought provoking then other humor sites

David | 10:32 am on 2/01/2008

I like that about the door also.

Anonymous | 06:01 pm on 2/01/2008

Margaret,
Actually, you are wrong again! CHRISTIANS are supposed to judge CHRISTIANS!! We are supposed to know our bibles so well that we recognize false doctrine when it comes. Sadly, we have not done that b/c the preacher sets his church up to be accountable to no one. His so-called "board" is his family and best friend. His elders are bought off buddies too.....we Christians have allowed this to go on and now we are paying for it!

If you study the bible as you say, you would know that "judge not" and "throwing stones" is talking about HYPOCRITICAL judgement or like sin!!

So puhleeeezzzeeee go back and study some more and maybe you will learn something b/c you don't know a thing!

My People perish for a lack of knowlege | 10:04 am on 1/31/2008

PLEASE WAKE UP PEOPLE,,,,, AND DO AN INTERNET STUDY ON WHY THE 501C PLAN FOR CHURCHES WAS DESIGNED FOR GREEDY FALSE TEACHERS LIKE COPELAND AND THE OTHERS. THIS 501C PLAN IS ANTI-CHRIST, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT ALLOW THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF GOD. COPELAND AND HUCKEBEE ARE FRAUDS. THEY DO NO LOVE GOD,,, THEY ONLY PRETEND TO GET THE CHRISTIANS VOTES.

I PRAY THAT GOD TAKE DOWN ALL OF THESE FALSE TEACHERS,,, LOOK AT THE MEN THAT HANG OUT WITH COPELAND. DOLLAR, JAKES, JUANITA BYNUM, ROD PARSLEY,HUCKEBEE, BIRDS OF A FEATHER. NOT ONE OF THESE MEN WOULD KNOW GOD IF HE TAPPED THEM ON THE SHOULDER AND SAID ''I AM GOD''.

THEY DO NOT SUPPOSE TO MANIPULATE MONEY FROM PEOPLE TO ONLY USE IT FOR THEIR WEALTH. GOD SAID THAT WHEN YOU GIVE TO THE POOR AND NEEDY, THAT IS LIKE GIVING TO HIM, AND HE WOULD REPAY. GOD NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, TOLD YOU TO MAKE BILLIONARES OUT OF THESE FALSE TEACHERS, WHILE THE POOR STARVE TO DEATH, THEIR OWN MEMBERS RIDE THE BUS TO CHURCH, MEMBERS CAN NOT PAY THEIR BILLS, MEMBERS LOSING THEIR HOMES AND FAMILY, TRYING TO SUPPORT THESE LYING GREEDY DOGS. GOD IS GONNA SHOW UP IN THIS REAL SOON.

THANK YOU.

Anonymous | 12:17 am on 2/01/2008

My People.....

Great post...this says it all!! These pimps are NOT God's chosen...they are wannabe business men/women and wolves in sheep's clothing! Most of them have irrevocable trusts so there is nothing we can do except stop it from happening int the future.

I knew of a woman who moved to Dallas. Suddenly she started seeing demons everywhere. My friend advised her to go to Copeland's church to get deliverance. When she called for help they refused her b/c she wasn't a member (she was new to Dallas).

Anonymous | 07:55 am on 2/01/2008

Doug..which bit of the Copelands ARE NOT christiansdont you get????? noone here is attacking any faiths theres ample evidence to tell people conclusively that these people are complete frauds yet people still protect them like they themselves are some kind of rock stars or Gods??? face it Benny Hinn , Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Joyce Myers,Creflo Dollar,Paula White,Oral Roberts etc etc etc are nothing but Money Makers... what they do is a business venture ... they Are Not Christians

that calvinist doug | 08:43 am on 2/01/2008

To which "Doug" are you referring? If it's me, I have no idea what you are talking about. NONE of my posts have defended this crew.

My People Perish for a Lack of Knowledge | 09:01 am on 2/01/2008

COPELAND, HINN, DOLLAR, JAKES, PARSLEY, AND ALL OF THE OTHERS UNDER 501C3 HAVE CHRISTIANS DECEIVED INTO SUPPORTING ANTI CHRIST TEACHINGS. THIS IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THE ARTICLE BELOW.......

In 1981 the U.S. Supreme Court stated that the primary function of a tax-exempt organization is to act on the behalf of the government in carrying out government approved Public Policies. Just what are these Public Policies? They are legalized abortion, euthanasia, no praying in schools, no commandments in public buildings, and no discrimination against homosexuality. All 501(c)3 corporations must be in agreement with these policies.

VISIT THIS SITE,,, BELOW,, AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS MORE ON THIS SUBJECT. THE CHURCH WAS ALREADY EXEMPT FROM TAXES,, BUT THEIR GREED CAUSED THEM TO INC. JUST TO HAVE THE TITLE PRESIDENT, CEO,,, ETC. LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE STEPPED IN.

http://www.corpsole.org/churchinc.html

pd | 11:39 am on 2/01/2008

This country will fall like all other empires have. Claiming it in the name of religion is just a last desperate act to prevent it from happening.

If this country was founded on the word of God, why have we only started now to "reclaim" it?

Nations will come and go, but God will stand forever. Kind of like Jesus said,"from these stones, God can raise sons of Abraham."

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