
Lesbyterianism Almost Legal
A few years back, when I was told by the Standards & Practices Department of Turner Networks that I could no longer use the affectionate term “lesbo” on television, I started using the term “lesbyterian,” unaware at the time of how theologically prescient I was, since the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) would spend much of the past decade adjudicating the rightness or wrongness, legality or illegality, of lesbian coupling within the church. The centerpiece of this battle was one Jane Spahr, an ordained Presbyterian minister who is also a practicing lesbian in Marin County, California, and who had performed quite a few gay marriage ceremonies over the years, until she was put on trial in March 2006–not a real trial, one of those ecclesiastical play-trials–at the Church of the Roses in Santa Rosa, where she was formally charged with violating church rules by marrying two lesbian couples, including one happy pair who had traveled all the way from Rochester, New York, for the occasion.
After two days of testimony, the court found her innocent, but the local Presbytery (not to be confused with the local Lesbytery) appealed to a regional body (apparently in church play-court, the prosecution can appeal even when the verdict is not guilty), and the regional court voted to censure Spahr–to, in essence, give her the lightest possible punishment, but to make it clear that gay marriage was verboten. Then Spahr appealed to the national ultimate Presbyterian Lesbyterian High-Hat Court of the Last Resort, which only meets once a year in Louisville, Kentucky–the real name of it is the General Assembly Permanent Judicial Commission–and that august body of clerics decided that Spahr was innocent of charges that she performed same-sex marriages, because if the people are of the same sex, it could not be a marriage. Since no marriage occurred, Spahr didn’t officiate at a marriage. This is really what they decided. I’m not making it up. I think they had a party in Marin County, but at some point during the party they probably went “Huh? We should celebrate, right? Read that again.”
Then Again, Pharaoh Doesn’t Care What the Jews Think, Does He?

Was anybody listening to Jeremiah Wright’s actual speeches during that weekend when he pulled off the Trifecta of appearing on Bill Moyers’ show, keynoting the NAACP convention, and appearing at the National Press Club? He took every opportunity to point out that his theology was not Black Liberation Theology. And yet here we have a massive New York Times piece by Michael Powell describing Wright as a disciple of James H. Cone, the professor at Union Theological Seminary who did invent Black Liberation Theology in the sixties. When Wright describes his church tradition at all, he calls it “prophetic,” and by that he means the Old Testament call away from the world’s ways, away from complacency, away from comfort, and he adds to that that we must harken to the poor. The poor will lead us out of Egypt. And in order to get that message across, the preacher occasionally has to identify Egypt. And when he identifies Egypt, it turns up on YouTube.
The Sisters Looked Like Ballot Stuffers
There’s nothing like turning away 12 nuns from the polls in Indiana, telling them they can’t vote because they don’t have proper ID (in fact, some of them may never vote again because they’re too elderly to go to the motor vehicle office) to make the recent Supreme Court decision look especially ugly and unnecessary. Remind me again: why did we do this?
L’Chaim

Last week the Central Synagogue in New York rededicated a Torah that had been buried at Auschwitz for more than 60 years before being found with a metal detector in 2004. The four Torah panels that were actually used for services inside the concentration camp had to then be retrieved from a Catholic priest who had been keeping them all these years, unaware of where the rest of the Torah was. The whole remarkable story is told by James Barron in the New York Times, but apparently the name of the sexton who placed the Torah in a metal box and buried it three days before the Germans marched into the Polish city of Oswiecim (later renamed Auschwitz) is lost to history. Whoever he was, he did such a good job of hiding the Torah from the Nazis that it took four years of efforts by Rabbi Menachem Youlus of Wheaton, Maryland, before he finally unearthed the lost Torah. I’m not a superstitious man, but there’s something about these Found Torah stories that, every time I hear them, make me think something powerful and restorative has been released into the world.


The men of the Presbytery stand firm.
Yet, the Rev. Jane Spahr refuses to be licked by them.
Lilly, don't forget, we're talking about the PCUSA here, so there are probably women on the Presbytery. They may not be as firm, but would Spahr refuse in this instance?
Well, there you go then. Ladies on the Presbytery.
That means that Ms. Rev. has someone to help 'toss the salad' before covered dish suppers.
I did a Wiki on 'toss the salad'.
Damn...that worries me.
PS...I hope we are washing our hands before Communion.
Wash your lips before the Holy Kiss.
Nice.
1. Why is it that people think they have the right to force a voluntary membership, private organization to change? I'm PCA, not the more liberal USA, but this reminds me of Martha Burke trying to force Augusta National to accept female members. If you don't like the organization's position, and they won't change after you've voiced your opposition, then leave or shut up.
2. I'll tell you, John, why the Supremes ruled the way they did...ever heard of Chicago or Richard Daly?
So, the PCA is a private organization, and not actually striving to be part of the Body of Christ, the Church Universal? Christian discipleship calls us to build one another up in the faith, inside and outside of denominations, to "come, . . . reason together," to keep the dialogue open, seeking the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit, that the Church might be perfect as God is perfect. Thanks be to God for those who challenge convention and tradition from within, rather than merely badmouthing and snubbing from without. If your denomination is just a "voluntary membership, private organization" (gag me with a spoon), then PCA can opt out of striving for holy perfection and be happy with human ideals and foibles as a standard, huh? What a relief for all of you!! If all of us decide to do that, it makes "church" no more than a country club, less that a good PTA, more narrow minded than the YMCA. Doesn't our Head require more of us than those?
Wow, UMDkin! I don't usually check back to see comments on articles this old, but I'm glad I did this time. I think you're misinterpreting my point, which was simply this; whether you like denominations or not, they exist because people want to worship in a place where they can agree upon the secondary issues of their faith (note: NOT the primary ones; which I'd hope we all share...)
Most non-denominational churches scare me a little bit because there is no one there structurally to provide accountability if the leadership goes off the deep end. Therefore, all I'm left with are denominations. Of the ones I've been raised in (SBC), visited more than once (Lutheran, PCUSA, nondenoms, Methodist, Church of God, etc.), or been a member of (Methodist, SBC, PCA) the PCA comes the closest to explaining the bible and the gospel the way it makes the
most sense to me. Therefore, and this is the crux of my argument, if I want to call out the leadership on something I believe they are doing contrary to scripture, I absolutely have that right, BUT they do NOT owe it to me to change their system of beliefs to accomodate me if I cannot convince them.
I think our society, and even our churches, have become so infected with me-ism that it negatively affects the way we as Christians view ourselves in light of the truth of the gospel. Simply put, we, individually, ain't all that.
That's it, sermon over, now please rise for the benediction.
so, all you have to do to prove you aren't married is plug your ears and go 'LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!'
cool.
Well, as a lib'ral PC(USA) pastor who's in favor of both ordainifying and celebrating-holy-unioning gays and lesbians, it ain't anything like what my "we don't ordain wimmen 'cause the bible sez so" PCA brother pitches it.
There's genuine and deep rooted conflict within the PC(USA) over the issue, going back well before 1996, when a slender majority of conservatives wrote homosexuality into our constitution as the ne plus ultra exemplar of human sinfulness. The conflict, obviously, continues...and as the upper levels of the denomination have a tendency to be more progressive, what you have here is an utterly tortuous attempt for liberals to dance their way around a provision in the Book of Order.
And John, as delightful as that post title is, you do realize that "Barely Legal Lesbians" would have driven a whole bunch more traffic. Ah well. Hindsight is 20/20.
David, at least PC(USA) has some structural way of making that happen. It at least keeps an all-out war from bubbling up over and over again, as it does in other denominational circles. It also got taken care of fairly quickly due to that issue of structure.
I also agree with your title point.
damn liberal! (kidding; I don't know how to make that little smiley face thingie as my keyboard is reformed and therefore does not allow such free-wheeling shenanigans)
As for the SCOTUS's decision, it's basically allowing state poll taxes all over again; states were allowed to tighten the definition of ID as much as they wanted after the Help America Vote [for Republicans] Act.
And I'll say it again; the one great thing that's come out of the Rev Wright clusterf*ck (I wonder what that regional church court would've thought of a minister presiding over one of those? *sick, twisted laugh*), is that people might have a clue what the hell "prophecy" is. When I hear people talk about "prophecy" as some crystal ball-ish shit, I seriously want to belt them one (of course, being a pacifist, my whole system of morals prevents that).
On the matter of Lesbyterians, David W and SRebbe can definitely tell you that I'd pass for one from the pictures of me they've seen. ;-)
I think Doug's still trying to find out which side of the closet I play in, anyways.
Yep, Josh passes for one of them shaggy hippie chic-drens.
I'm not even sure what you mean. And to which comment of mine are you referring? I mean, why play in the closet? Even if you have one of those big walk-ins like I do, there's so much more room elsewhere.
awwww, I merely am referring to your cute tongue-in-cheek comments on the Midwestern Christian Girl Still Single from days of yore.
You only assume you know where my tongue was when I typed that.
Interesting that you make that point, given the main topic of discussion.
I like to play in the closet. And the kitchen, and the bedroom, and the bathroom, and the living room, and the backyard, and the garage, etc.. I would refer you to the movie Stripes for further explanation. Watch for a scene in a trunk with Bill Murray and a friend.
Is it just me, or does that have a rather...Seussian tone to it?
I do not like sex on the floor...I do not like sex againt the door.
On the floor against the door! Thank you Miss, I am smiling, yes I am.
In the back of the truck...we often find a way to....
now THAT'S a good hiding spot (referring to Torah). the Rabbi gets to be on my team for sardines.
this is priceless
http://www.planetvids.com/html/Angry-Goat-Kills-Pastor.html
Meanwhile, the Lesbians of Lesbos are fighting the lesbians to get thier (Lesbian) name back.
Wow...you kids have had a party today.
Sorry I had to work.
Great posts.
It's 90 degrees outside and I just opened a Bud.
It's 5 o'clock somewhere.
Looking forward to reading up on all the funny posts.
I guess you haven't read anything here yet; you still haven't said anything.
Nevermind...you did. It was right there on the subject of "toss the salad."
Hey...I'm waiting around tonight, hoping they download some new stuff.
We have about mined all the fun out this topic.
ya, they have all about run their course. It gets hard to remember where everything is. That is why I'm looking forward to a real forum/community thing to happen here. I actually emailed the door about it and Mr. Bloom wrote back saying that he was all in favor of it and the IT people were working on it.
That was 2 months ago. Maybe they were on vacation. In Myanmar.
Eh.. I don't think America counts as Egypt. Sure there is alot wrong with it, but incendiary rhetoric aside. Its fits the description of Israel though. You know, the one that kept shying off God. Wouldn't say we need a prophet to call America back though. After all, we need to save people not countries. Get me a prophet who calls people back to Christ.
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