Kenneth Copeland explains why his jet is "none of your business"
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Kenneth Copeland explains why his jet is "none of your business"
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Of course the pimp Copeland says "it's none of your business"....satan hates being exposed. These pimps have got to be taken down. They are doing so much DAMAGE to the Body of Christ, and they are selling a fake Jesus. If you think you got saved under one of these prosperity gospel ministries, please rethink your salvation.
I agree about the damage these men can cause to the body of Christ. However, who gets saved "under a ministry"? Are we not saved by our repentance and faith in Jesus Christ? Is it not a misugided concept that we would need any "proper" man or an organized religious body to intercede between ourselves and our saviour?
Thank you,
Rick
I wish all these nay sayers would leave the Copelands and the other televangelists alone. I use to think the same way a very long time ago. But since being born again I know better. I know tgat everything in this is Gods. It is supposed to be used for His purposes in spreading His Word throughout the world. Your church and my church take in money to run the church,pay the paster and staff,support missions. Of course they are on a smaller scale than KCM and don't need to have a jet to fly around the world. But my paster does have a nice big deep sea fishing boat,with which he has used and has brought countless people to the salvation,and PROSPERITY,of Jesus Christ.
Jim,
Hhheeeerrrrrrrreeeee'sss your Kool Aid......Jim Jones is waiting for ya!
Look Jim, it's like this ... you say your pastor uses his nice big deep sea fishing boat to bring countless people to the salvation and PROSPERITY of Jesus Christ ... how does one use a FISHING BOAT to bring someone to Christ? By promising them that by praying some mantra that somehow the Lord would give THEM a fishing boat too? And as for bringing them the PROSPERITY of Jesus Christ, just how does he do that? Does he intend to give his nice big deep sea fishing boat to THEM? NO! Your pastor is a pulpit PIMP, and if you have given him any money in order for him to obtain that nice big deep sea fishing boat, then you are one of his HO'S !!!! The salvation of Jesus Christ is NOT about all the things that the Lord gives to His people! And people who seek the Lord for what He can give them are seeking Him for all the WRONG reasons! A person cannot receive the salvation of Christ unless first he realizes that he is a wretched sinner who deserves HELL, not all of the worldly stuff you people clamor after! It's not about getting all the STUFF ... it's about giving up their lives for HIM and becoming his slave. Somehow you Word of Faith people have gotten that all backwards ... you think salvation is is about getting, and getting more ... it's just STUFF, material worldly stuff, it's CARNAL and ungodly! You think that all your STUFF is proof that you are blessed. There is one thing that is promised for sure to all true followers of Christ and that is PERSECUTION! You Word of Faithers only think of earthly "blessings" ... but God does not promise us the things of this world. Think about it ... what would it profit you to gain the whole world and lose your own SOUL? Copeland, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Paula White, all of those hellish creatures on TBN ... I can't even name all of the pulpit pimps on TV ... (and your pastor too by the way) ... all of them have their reward. They have their "Best Life Now" ... but they can't take any of it with them where they go ... what about later on? The Bible speaks of the rich man and Lazarus ... that kind of reminds me of the relationship between all these RICH pastors and their pimped followers, and I believe they will suffer the same fate! God does promise us SPIRITUAL prosperity, but you Word of Faith people only think on things of this world. When people like you give expecting you 100-fold return, you are giving to GET !!!! But the true Jesus tells us to give, expecting NOTHING in return. Do any of you honestly do that? Neither are we supposed to give out of NECESSITY or of COMPULSION ... tell THAT to all of the pimp preachers on TV who incessantly compel us to give to their ministries ad nauseum! It's WRONG! If any of them really believed what they "preach" then all they really have to do is give and expect their 100-fold return and leave their audiences ALONE! But they won't ever do that, because they really don't believe what they preach either ... otherwise they would practice what they preach. YOU are profitable to them, and they fear that if they don't ask YOU for it, YOU won't give it to them ... YOU are their cash cow ... not GOD. I am not "attacking" you, so don't even go there. I am speaking from a life of experience. I was all bound up and hog-tied in all that Word of Faith crap for almost 30 YEARS!!! I gave, and I gave ... I did all of the right things according to our famous PIMPS! It was nothing for me to fork over almost everything I had ... tithes and offerings above and beyond what was expected, because I believed them. I thought that I was doing what GOD wanted, and I suffered the consequences of that for far too long. Like Joyce Meyer always says "give until it hurts!" -- "give SACRIFICIALLY!" My intentions were good. And I had faith ... but my faith was in a LIE! I was sincere and honest, but I was sincerely and honestly WRONG ... I think that the Lord really knew that, and only a couple of years ago, finally the Lord got through to me to just STOP IT! Like, HELL-OOOOO! If this thing still doesn't work after nearly 30 years, guess what ... IT DOESN'T WORK!! I see myself all over all of you defenders of these people. I was just like ALL of you. And a couple of years ago, I would have been standing right there by your side. That's why I say that ONLY THE LORD will ever get through to you. Nobody could have EVER gotten through to me so I know that. I guess you can tell I am just a little bit angry about this lie that is continuously propagated by the deluge of televangelists spewing their filth into livingrooms across this country and bringing millions to hell with them. I also know that my "ranting" about this will not convince you to turn away from this lie you believe in, which I've stated on other posts here. But maybe somehow the Lord can use my experience to help lead someone else out of this DELUSION you call faith. It is another gospel, and the "jesus" you think you worship will someday be crystal clear to you. I just hope that you find out who it really is before it's too late. REALLY! The Bible is the truth, and it contains the way to the real Jesus. This Word of Faith gospel is pure MADNESS !!!!!
now when you realise the bible is a mind control con game your eyes will be fully opened!
Thank you for telling the truth and calling out the Pimps. I was pimped for thirty or more years and just in the last year after reading PulpitPimps.org every day and other information out there that was sharing the truth I'm no longer hogged tied to a "lie". When I think about all of the money and gifts (clothes, food, paying bills of so called leaders) I just have pray constantly to keep from hating them (truth). It saddens me to think of friends that are still being pimped and think that I've backslide because I won't go near a church bldg right now. I'm still healing and need this time away. I have a wonderful relationship with the real Jesus and not the fake one. I'm the church and he's my Savior.
To Booboo's Dad above -
You write -
... but God does not promise us the things of this world.
Not so, brother. The very Words of Christ say 'Give, and it shall be given to you. Good Measure, Pressed Down, Shaken Together and Running over shall men give unto you'. This is a simple spiritual principle - written in red I might point out. I am sorry that you were caught up for so many years, it sounds, in such a state. I was caught up there myself, living with the idea I could 'give to get' myself out of my mess. I gave, often from manipulation or compulsion, only to be out the dollars when I needed them the most. This went on for quite some time until I finally was set free from the attachments of the things and moved on to a more mature walk.
God was so very good to see me through. We were so poor, but now I am blessed to be a blessing, so to speak. I tithe and then some - He always meets our needs. I am blessed now to be sharing over $1000 per month in tithe/gifts to various ministries, small and large, including KCM Ministries - sharing with those that taught the things that brought me through.
I have read most of the comments below and am quit staggered at some of the comments made by 'christians'.
I have been a partner with KCM for a number of years now and hand on heart I have never questioned if this 'ministry' is a charlatan or not. I have witnessed God moving not only in my life but others as well through the teaching of the copelands. What seems to be twisted in all the comments is people quoting scriptures to back their arguments but having no relevant revelation to that scripture!! For example one person quoted Jesus did not have money?
O.k When he was born! Why did Kings visit him with gifts? Why not shepherds,and low and behold a king brought what...GOLD!! Now if a king brings gold to a new 'king of the Jews' do you think he just brought a 'tip'!! He set Jesus's family up for life!!
Jesus coat at calvary, the soldiers wouldnt tear it up, why! because it was valuable material!!
Why did Jesus have Judas Iscariot as his, wait for it..Money Keeper!!if it was a pauper outfit??
I have read most of the comments below and am quit staggered at some of the comments made by 'christians'.
I have been a partner with KCM for a number of years now and hand on heart I have never questioned if this 'ministry' is a charlatan or not. I have witnessed God moving not only in my life but others as well through the teaching of the copelands. What seems to be twisted in all the comments is people quoting scriptures to back their arguments but having no relevant revelation to that scripture!! For example one person quoted Jesus did not have money?
O.k When he was born! Why did Kings visit him with gifts? Why not shepherds,and low and behold a king brought what...GOLD!! Now if a king brings gold to a new 'king of the Jews' do you think he just brought a 'tip'!! He set Jesus's family up for life!!
Jesus coat at calvary, the soldiers wouldnt tear it up, why! because it was valuable material!!
Why did Jesus have Judas Iscariot as his, wait for it..Money Keeper!!if it was a pauper outfit??
Also if you want to blame someone, why dont you blame God..if you dare.
He created the earth for man! And guess where all the resources of wealth today come from.... the earth!
So if God didnt want man to 'prosper' why is there Gold, Oil, Diamonds etc in the soil??
Also did God ever come down on Abraham, Issac Solomon and all the others who had exceeding wealth?? and say to them be poor!
Listen... it takes money to go on television to tell people about the love of Jesus.Media is a money consuming monster.
As Paul quoted ''How will the people believe unless they hear the message,how will they hear the message unless someone is sent''
Instead of bad mouthing people who have dedicated their lives to winning millions of people to God be it if they are corrupt or not?
Why dont we ask ourselves.. Well how many people have i won to God??
Religion is the belief that one is saved cause of the church a person attends . Christianity to the belief in Jesus giving us salvation. Religion has no place in the Body of Christ. Please ask the Holy Spirit to teach you the ways of Christ. You are not on the right path whether the gospel ministries are or they are not.
I used to be a right wing, conservative, holy roller but left all of that because of folks like these. Yeah, they really are pimps. I truly think Jesus is ashamed of the pimps and whores who sell His name over our airwaves, cables, and video screens.
You see, this is the reason why I'm finding it harder and harder everyday to call myself a Christian. People like this spoil it for all of us. Makes me sick.
Don't walk away from Christianity becomes of the pimps. Walk away from the pimps. You're not crazy and their likely not Christians.
Copeland, Cashflow, Benny (There's Nine of Them) Hinn and the rest of the pimps DO NOT represent Christianity.
Melvin
www.pulpit-pimps.org
Hey Melvin you've got a cool website! I was in the Word Of Faith over 20 years. I left it in 2003 and have never looked back. You're right the Copelands,Hinns,etc are heretics! So is their damnable "WOF" doctrine. Keep up the good work!
Oops! Melvin I forgot to ask you to look up Troy Edwards Sr. He has a site that defends word of faith. Think it's called "Victory Through The Word?" It's an absolute joke! Check it out.
First of all you would never here jesus call anyone a pimp. No I donot think that they are doing good receiving the money that they do, giving out false profices.The bible dose tell us that money is the root if all evil, there is nothing wrong with money, or having it,but I can say there is so many people out there that kenneth could be helping instead of buying planes.people are dying everyday from starvation, not having homes, and look at his! I would love nothing more but to see him give his heart to jesus, because god's true christans donot do things like this.
.....ya know, this isn't "heresy huntin'", this is just calling a "spade a spade".
What is most important is this type of "divulging" of these "ministers" allows others to see their aceptance and association of the mentiond, "ministers".........a lot of good people, who are not about"....what God gonna give me,....what i am owed as an heir....i am royalty...ect....").....are gonna see how they themselves are easily "duped" and cause them to be more gaurded and cautious of the ravenous wolves...
luke
Don't you get it? When the Senate finds the indiscretions, then the Senate is the arm of Satan bringing persecution to the ministry of the gospel. Proof positive of their validity and an opportunity to raise more funds!
these are the ones who have bewitched the church today!
lord have mercy on us,the poor children of christ.
Who's making money? Why is the Wittenberg Door selling the video "Suffer the Children" for $19.95? Why not give it away? What did Jesus say about casting the first stone? I think there is no difference here than with the Pharisees and Sadducees. We are all sinners, and we all exploit others in our pursuit of worldly wealth, comfort and happiness. Could it be that this type of finger-pointing just SELLS stuff??? Pray about your own log before you attempt to remove someone elses.
Response to Anonymous | 12:19 pm on 11/11/2007
Oh brother/sister....this is just wrong on so many levels. Ok, about casting the first stone. That was referring to Mary Magdelene and she had repented in her heart, AND CHANGED. She didn't go back to being a prostitute and Jesus knew she wouldn't. Jesus overturned the tables in the Temple, he admonished and rebuked the Pharisee's.
Wake up! We are supposed to judge false doctrine AGAINST THE BIBLE. If you have a child and need a babysitter, would you let that child stay with a neighbor that was accused of raping a child? NOOOOO....you'd make a JUDGEMENT call to do what is best for your child (at least I hope you would).
It is not okay for these pimps to rob the poor, widows and orphans. So get a grip....you've been fleeced!
hardly the same thing. Wittenburg Door isn't promising you riches for giving a third of your salary to them. Grow up.
These scum-bags (excuse the language) have used our Saviour to build an empire on earth for themselves, and what is sick, is that the devil has them believing they are right. I will pray for the poor people who have been sucked into their honey trap.
Kenneth Copeland and his wife Gloria are two of this world's biggest frauds and assholes. They both should burn in hell.
Those that choose leadership by default choose higher accountability. Professors claiming the title "Christian" to harass another pretty foot may also be considered frauds . . .
...ummmm who is casting stones here? are not these issues of facts? .....it is a pretty serious matter when folks have no idea what is being done under the name of "ministry"......thes people are prosperity pimps and are whoring around seducing the masses while their followers have been duped for following leaders who are not like Christ even in the slighest......wake up people....all is not as it seems......show me the fruit....not the money
Well said...and AMEN!
No matter what you think, Jesus was a very wealthy man... although He lived a simple life. His disciples were wealthy men... who also lived simple lives.
I don't believe God has a problem with wealth... but rather extravagance.
There are some of these guys, like Dollar and Copeland have good messages. Hinn is another story.
However, I believe guys like Charles Stanley and Joel Osteen are the type of telepreachers that certainly have the whole package... great messages without extravagance.
Us Americans always seem to have a need to look up to somebody. And we tend to not be very discrimitive.
TC
God has given gifts to the body of Christ, in way of His ministers. Not everybody has the exact same methods. So, in the body, to which it sounds you belong, it is unfair, not scriptual, to compare body parts, ie, Osteen vs. Copeland, etc. And if a brother is found in a fault, we are called to prayer, not judgement, yes?
I follow, Creflo, Copeland, Joyce, Stanley, Osteen, all of'em. You know why? Because I read my bible, and therefore I know these people are speaking from the heart of God. It is easy to decide what the bible might say about a thing, when you really don't know. I actually help buy Copelands plane, and ...well, I better not say, lest His name come up too. And I did it, not because they asked me to, but because I am a praying woman, and surprise surprise, God asked me to.
If anyone listens to these preachers, they tell you to pray over your offerings, listen to God and do what He tells you to do. My question is, did God tell me to give, and if He did not tell me to give, then I'm the one standing in need of a good stoning. Of course, most of the accusers, of these televangelists have no clue that God talks. If we are not being led and guided by the spirit of God, should we blame someone else? After all, the spirit of God is living inside of every believer, to lead and guide them in all truth.
Now, the reason I am picking your post to respond to is that I discern you have good spiritual sense, and I just wanted to make a small remark about your use of the word extravagance. I think you might rethink what God thinks extravagant. I've heard tell he paves His Streets with Gold, and I don't have time to disclose all the priceless jewels He has surrounded His fortress with.
I know, there is the argument that oh, but that is in heaven. Well, it was Jesus, our brother, our friend who taught us to pray Gods will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. And it was also Jesus, our Lord who told us everything now belongs to us, and gives us all power in Heaven and in earth, and I would suggest that God's kingdom is about to multiply in the earth, as never before, as the wealth of the wicked is transferred to the righteous. Any small wonder the enemy is pulling out the stops?
Us Americans would have done well to look up to the author and finisher of our faith instead of News Reporters.
Oh, I meant to mention about Pator Hinn. Don't short-change Him. He does good solid bible teaching. check out his site, or go to a meeting. you will hear some of the best teaching you ever heard. It is just on TV he only shows the healing session. and He doesn't show that comes after hours of preaching the word of God, and knowing your word, you know that God promised to join those who preach His word with signs and wonders. All scriptural. I listen to Hinn a lot, and I tell you, I have NEVER heard him say He healed anyone.I have heard him say Jesus is the Healer. Perhaps all these Nay sayers against the word of God might confess that it is God who they actually have a problem with. God is able to build up, and able to take down. Does He really need us to protect Him?
Hey (Mr/Mrs/Ms) Anonymous ... A "pimp" in case you didn't know is a person who makes his living off the backs of all his little ho's ... when he needs something, he puts his ho's to work for him who then fork over their hard earned cash. In that same manner, Kenneth Copeland (and all of the other pulpit pimps you say you so faithfully "follow"), when they need any new thing, they put all their little ho's to work who fork over their hard earned cash. These people are making merchandise of you and you can't even see it. The Bible speaks very clearly about these pulpit pimps and the people like you who follow them. Nobody will convince you of your error because you think you are right ... God and God alone must convince you ... He is the only one who can, because I know you won't take my word for it. I have been a follower of "all of 'em" too ... Joyce Meyer was once my favorite pimpette until the scales fell from my eyes and I saw her for what she really is. This is not "persecution" against Copeland or any of the others ... hopefully it is the beginning of God's judgement and an end to the financial RAPE of His people! I hope you come to realize that some day, but if you do not, know this: because you defend this PIMP you partake in his sins, and I would certainly not relish being you when God almighty seeks the revenge He says is HIS !!!
"So, in the body, to which it sounds you belong, it is unfair, not scriptual, to compare body parts, ie, Osteen vs. Copeland, etc. And if a brother is found in a fault, we are called to prayer, not judgement, yes?"
NO! If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off lest your whole body be cast into hell. Also, the early church DISCIPLINED it's members. False teachers and prophets were NOT tolerated. If they REPENTED then we were to receive them back in, otherwise they were not to allowed in the congregation.
If the church actually read some worthwhile book instead of the fluff that seems to prevade in our bookstores, then they might actually sound biblical.
I suggest "Overcoming Sin and Temptation" by John Owen or "The Wrath of Almighty GOD" by Jonathan Edwards
TC SAID:
"No matter what you think, Jesus was a very wealthy man... although He lived a simple life. His disciples were wealthy men... who also lived simple lives."
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GOT SOME BIBLE FOR THAT TC?
"but rather extravagance." DO YOU NOT THINK A FLEET OF JETS, MANSIONS, MOTORCYCLES, VACATION HOMES, DESIGNER CLOTHES, BODY GUARDS, FANCY AND EXPENSIVE CARS, JEWELRY, PLASTIC SURGERY, DREAM VACATIONS, BOATS AND YACHTS, ETC. IS EXTRAVAGANT?
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"There are some of these guys, like Dollar and Copeland have good messages. Hinn is another story." DOLLAR AND COPELAND TWIST SCRIPTURE SO YOU WILL GIVE THEM MONEY. IF YOU WOULD READ YOUR BIBLE INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM BRAIN WASH YOU, YOU WOULD SEE THE TRUTH. IF I WERE YOU I'D GET ON MY KNEES AND CRY OUT TO GOD FOR THE TRUTH!! OTHERWISE, HE JUST MIGHT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR DELUSION.
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"Charles Stanley and Joel Osteen are the type of telepreachers that certainly have the whole package... great messages without extravagance." JOEL OSTEEN JUST FINISHED GOING IN DEBT FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SO HE COULD REMAKE THE COMPAQ CENTER INTO HIS NEW CHURCH. HE'S GOT THE BIGGEST CHURCH IN THE U.S. ......UGH....JUST A LITTLE EXTRAVAGANT.....PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE JESUS' MULTI MILLION DOLLAR BLDG WAS IN THE BIBLE....
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SPEAK FOR YOURSELF ON THE REST....I LOOK UP TO GOD ALONE. QUIT WORSHIPING THESE PIMPS BECAUSE THEY GIVE YOU A FEEL GOOD MESSAGE...IT IS A LIE. YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN THE BIBLE. READ MALACHI 2-3...MALACHI WAS TALKING TO TO CROOKED PRIESTS NOT ISRAEL WHO WE REPRESENT! TITHING WAS ALWAYS GRAIN, WHEAT, SPICES, ANIMALS, NOT MONEY! THE NEXT TIME YOUR PASTOR ASKS YOU FOR A TITHE, GIVE HIM SOME GRAIN!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE....FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL!!
There are wolves gone out into the world from Satan to shear God's true blessings from the sheep of His pasture.
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves" (Matthew 7:15)
Hey Ken!!!! I'm makin' it my business you cross eyed inbred good 'ol boy!
Let the investigations begin !!!
I can only speak for myself, but I think it's
about time these ministries get put under
the microscope, and I hope that in the end,
each one of them is exposed for the evil
they are !!! Not only that, but I hope it
is a springboard for all of the other
T.V. ministries to be brought down
one by one like a line of dominoes !!
Copeland has alot of gaul to state on camera
that his use of that airplane is "none of your business"
.... the people who paid for that airplane
were on the other end of that camera ....
I hope their eyes are opened !!
I received my salvation long before I ever heard of Kenneth Copeland. Kenneth Copeland has never asked for a dime from me. I have given because I believe in the Word of God as he teaches it. I have never heard Kenneth Copeland suggest that any person could BUY their healing or salvation. Nobody can convince me that Jesus was a poor carpenter, it just isn't in the bible. What kind of a god would God be if He couldn't provide for His own children?
Deut.25:4
4 Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.
Kenneth Copeland has reached millions with the hope of Christ, and nobody should blame him for much needed rest and relaxation. He is a pilot and if he has a plane at his disposal to get around, so what? You and I would do the same and if you say that you wouldn't then you're way to sanctified for me! I do not proclaim to believe everything Kenneth ever says or that he can't miss God at times but the bulk of his teaching is phenomenal and Godly.
The Lord has blessed my wife and me in all aspects of our lives and we will continue to seek God - especially through the teaching of Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer and all the others the some people think are heretics.
Praise God for this persecution!!!
ScottS....
Since you give to KC, then I assume you've been "blessed" with mansions, jets, designer clothes, plastic surgery, dream vacations, bentley's, rolls royces, body guards, fancy hotels at $10,000 a night, vacation homes, motorcycles, etc.....
I mean, that's what the prosperity gospel says "you give to the pimp and then god will give to you".....also, if you know anyone that's sick, be sure to tell them to give all their money to the pimps. That way you can buy god's favor and he will heal you or your loved one. What a deal!! Now remember, if it doesn't happen, it is your fault because you don't have enough faith, you should probably give more money. Maybe you could mortgage your house....turn in your 401K cuz Kenny boy needs a new bike......or it could be that you still have hidden sin in your life.....shame on you!! I thought Kenny got rid of that sin the last time you gave your hard earned money. Oh, well....spiritual gambling isn't easy, and it seems like Kenny is the only one getting rich.....so.......let us know when you've drank enough Kool Aid.
PS Do you know David Koresch too?
Mr. Scott S, you may not believe this until you stand before the judgement seat of christ - I know that there is no way on earth that I will be able to convince you of it - that you and people like you malign the way of truth by following Kenneth Copeland's heretical teachings. I used to be just like you, so I know where you are at and only God will be the one to bring you out of it. Don't know what I'm talking about? Here is ONE example:
2 Peter 2:1-3 (NASB)
1 But false prophets also arose among the
people,just as there will also be false teachers
among you, who will secretly introduce destructive
heresies, even denying the Master who bought them,
bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of
them the way of the truth will be maligned;
3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false
words; their judgment from long ago is not idle,
and their destruction is not asleep.
For your sake, and for the sake of all those who love you, I certainly hope that God reaches you with the truth before it is too late for you.
The Copeland's does not preach, "give money and you will be healed" - they preach that "Jesus bore our sicknesses and through Him you are healed (by His stripes)."
The Word says that He (God) will provide "good measure pressed down and runneth over" and all that we will need. Connecting people to the Lord worldwide takes a lot of resources - only He (God) can provide.
The Copelands know (as do I) that all the "extravagance" is His (God's) and for His Glory not theirs (Copeland's). So if you want to call someone who is spreading God's Word and manifesting His Glory a "pimp" - then you are saying Jesus Christ is the head "pimp".
I love you all - and hope that if you are concerned about this - that you will truly seek the Lord and His Word for wisdom.
God Bless!
Hey Chuck,
If the "jesus" that the Copelands and all the others preach is the is truly telling them to financially RAPE the sheeple as they do, then yes, he IS the head pimp! But I submit to you sir, that the "jesus" they preach is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. They preach another gospel and a different Jesus and the day is coming when the world will know it. On that day, unles he repents, Kenneth Copeland will be among those who say to the true Jesus, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' And Jesus will tell him plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoer!' The "jesus" that Copeland preaches shall be thrown into the lake of fire as well. The day is coming when wrongs are made right and the justice of the true Lord comes. Until then all creation groans waiting for that day.
I think the operative word in your comment is "NEED". Where are Kenneth and Gloria when there are starving, homeless, and unclothed people. Sitting in their mansion that they, or for that matter, anyone NEEDS. How much stuff does anyone really NEED>
REVALATIONS,
I came across a web site a few day’s ago, www.churchexecutive.com , then today www.evangelicalsformitt.org . Both site revealed the Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee, is standing up for Kenneth and Gloria Copeland. Does he know the truth behind this ministry? Someone may need to send Huckabee a copy of this letter, and the following documentation.
Letter to,
Kenneth and Gloria Copeland,
Before knowledge of, KCM, BVOV, GLORIA’S HEALING SCHOOL, and EMIC, our lives were simple, and complete. Before BVOV, faith had no mathematical values, you was never told you had to little, or to much. Before BVOV, sickness was not blamed on lack of faith, nor finances. Before BVOV, rewording, or falsifying bible verses, well, before our knowledge of prosperity gospel (materialistic Christian belief: the doctrine taught in some Christian groups that God will grant wishes to the faithful, especially those wishes involving material wealth .Encarta ® World English Dictionary), this act was unheard of, tithes received during collection were used for the upkeep of our church, parsonage, cemetery, and exedra, the exedra was legit. Before BVOV, I had a mother, faith, finances, piece, and a belief in God I never questioned for there was no reason to. My personal thanks goes out to both you and Gloria, prosperity gospel truly is a life changing experience!
The first time I tried to contact (BVOV) was back in 2004, a few months after the death of my mother (Bonnie Parker) who was a long time partner of your ministry, since 1995 to be exact. That’s a lot of faithful years is it not. And now what began as a simple request for answers over two years ago, is now national news. Though I made many efforts to contact you, none of which were successful. (Mail, Email, , Phone, and even visiting Eagle Mountain Church personally) We were in Dallas for the filming of a documentary (Suffer the Children sufferthechildren.com)which was being funded, and produced by director Trever Glass. The film was to show, from the victims point of view, the tragic abuse, suffering , and fraudulent behaviors preformed by certain mega church ministers, mainly focusing on the prosperity gospel ministers. I was asked if I would like to visit EMIC, and take a tour of the massive facilities. Nervously I said yes. Was I finally going to be given the chance of speaking with either of you? With a copy of the original letter, and pictures of mom before, and after BVOV, tucked safely in our backpack we began the tour that would leave me with even more questions than answers. The tour guide was very nice, and very informative. She had not a clue that with every gloating word she spoke, I was fighting back the tears they were bringing. Were the trophies you have proudly displayed at EMIC, acquired on these trips? Did you pay to have them stuffed, or did the church catch that bill for you? There I was standing in the maculate office, (by the way, how much did that high dollar office furniture set you or the ministry back), of the very people I felt were most responsible for my mothers death. No you didn’t put a gun to her head, but your guidance did prove to seal her fate. I do highly recommend this tour to all your partners that contribute to this lifestyle you both so take advantage of. Nor you or Gloria were present the day we dropped by, but I left the letter, and photos with an employee of EMIC. John Copeland called me a few day’s after we toured EMIC, saying how sad I appeared in the video tapes that were recording our every move during our tour.. I was not sure what to say, a Copeland was on the other end, not the one I was hopping for but a Copeland. There was no way to explain to him the hurt I felt inside that not he but his parents created. The call was short, I basically said no comment, for their were no words to express the feelings I had at that moment! Perhaps the Copelands, Kenneth and Gloria, believed my accusations are unprecedented.. By giving me the chance of showing you in moms written proof I will be happy to reveal you the source of my accusations. Never less, no response lead me to believe neither of you have any remorse for their actions, and that you both must believe they had done no wrong. Personally, I could not live with myself after it was brought to my attention that the mere words coming from my mouth, could indeed cause someone to loose their life. Maybe, hopefully, someday sooner than latter, the dangers related to prosperity gospel will become clear to you both, until then God help us all.
Your problem now is, no longer am I the only one publicly asking for answers, you now have the whole United States of America awaiting to see how this Senate investigation unfolds. In February of this year WFAA News in Dallas broadcasted the findings of an investigation (by Brett Shipp) regarding the misuse of the ministry’s jet. I’m sorry but it is really hard to comprehend you and your wife going on vacation in a jet my mother paid for with her life. Just incase you missed the news broadcast, that was one comment I voiced loud and clear. After that news broadcast aired, I began relying on WWW.WFAA.COM for any new developments, or some kind of comment from anyone at BVOV, EMIC, or either of you personally. The broadcast received the same response that I had come to know all to well over the years, no response, from either of you. Being in the public eye I’m sure has it’s advantages and also disadvantages. You are looked up to by millions of people. It never crossed your minds that a tragedy such as my mom’s was a possibility? You take on a huge responsibility when you get in front of a camera, step onto a stage, and in the recordings of your tapes and cd’s, to each and every one who are watching and listening. Your words can, will , and have, become fatal, the question now is not will it happen again, but when, if your words go unchanged someone’s else’s death is inevitable. As for my family the damage is irreversible. The probe into your finances is long overdue. As for the ones already passed on, the bankrupt, the homeless, and the devastated lives your ministry has destroyed over the years, but it’s better late than never!! I’ve been told by some that my mothers story, and my persistence for the truth, played a part in the investigations into your finances. If so my objective is done. Showing the public the possible consequences in becoming involved with the prosperity gospel was my main objective!!!! As well as taking the tour of your ministries assets, your partners need to read for themselves, (anyone sending money to your ministry) the requests from the Senate related to your finances. I believe they also will have a few questions for you. Oh and the comment you made when caught off guard by the media, WFAA news, (you may view this on there web site), and are questioned about the misuse of the ministry’s jet, your comment was ”None of Your Business”, do either of you have the courage to look me in the eyes and say that to me? The cost we paid for that jet can never be repaid. Expenses that accrued during and after moms illness, left us with no choice but to take out a loan on our house, which was paid in full at the beginning of 2004. This was all to much for us to handle, we have struggled to make the note the last few years, but we can’t last much longer. So we are basically still paying for that jet, and the joyrides both of you take on it. When mom gave her life for your ministry, and now possibly our home will be lost also, I believe that gave us a right to know where the money goes. We did request a accounting of all mom’s contributions, several times, which I have enclosed in this letter, but yet again no response was given. Are either of you, seeing the pattern here? God knows we all, even both of you, make mistakes in life. The difference between both of you and us is plane as day, we know wrong from right! The good hearted, and the sincere, try to make amends for their mistakes, and are most likely forgiven, on earth and in heaven. It’s never to late to start this process. I on the other hand, will never be able to forgive, nor forget. We never asked to become involved with either of you, or your false, and dangerous ministry! Unwillingly, and unfortunately our lives crossed paths with the death of my mother, I can’t change that, but I wish I could!
Kristy Beach
Dear Kenneth and Gloria Copeland,
If you don’t all ready know me I’m Christian Beach granddaughter of Bonnie Parker. The girl who had to watch her grandmother go threw so much pain for her trust in god through you. You didn’t help her by telling her not to go to the doctor. No you told her that the doctor was the work of the devil. Yes I remember some of the stuff from your shows and CD’s. My grandmother would put so much of her money in to checks and some as just cash, so much in fact that I can’t even recall exact amounts. How exactly much does your healing cost, because my grandmother paid with her money and her life? I watch your shows, listened to your CD’s at the same time watched my grandmother slowly and painfully be killed by your word not God’s word your word!!! You can do what you want and say what you want but you can never be forgiven by me or my family for what you did to us. Don’t want the money she sent you back. I just want you to feel the pain that I have felt day after day since she died. How does it make you feel to take a nine year olds grandmother from her? Now the next time you are taking money out of letters and not even reading the at all, think of what you have done to our family by not reading my grandmothers!!! So the next your are flying around in your $20000000 JET, That my grandmother paid with her life!!!
Christian Beach
That letter was written by my daughter, which was nine when mom passed away. I did not encourage her to do this, she insisted. I want both of you to know what she, being a child went through. Mom entrusted her with portions of her involvement regarding both of you. She is just beginning to talk more about the secrets mom kept hidden away from all but her apparently. I have not questioned her about her relationship with mom, I simply let her talk about her memories, when she feels ready. The relationship mom and sissy(nickname), shared was like mine and my mothers. Why mom reviled things to her only, I guess will remain a mystery. Why her and not me, was it the fact she was just a child? When she speaks of listening to your material over and over, it just adds to the
many questions we have that you will not answer. Have these dangerous twisted words been implanted in her head also? The thought of this scares me to death. She as well as us suffered a terrible loss, but her more so. During the time mom was in the nursing home, most of our time was spent by her side. Even though she was just a few miles away from my home, we were not letting her be alone at all. I hired sitters to stay with her even when we were there, merely walking out of her room scared her. The staff at the home was kind, and tried filling her every need. Each one took her into there hearts, and visversa. We turned to family and friends to help keep our lives going outside the nursing home, which also turned out to be devastating. Christians step grandfather took advantage of what was already a bad situation, by putting his filthy hands on my child(sissy). He pleaded guilty, and is being punished for his actions! My point of telling you this is once again, letting you know just how much we have suffered. Had all our attention not been on mom, this surely could have been prevented!!!! Unbelievable that’s still not the end either. My brother Todd felt drugs would help him through all this hell, he was picked up for simple possession in September of 2004.To this day he still can’t talk about, or deal with the memories of her, bottles of whiskey took the place of drugs. Loosing him is now a huge possibility. Will it ever end?????
Kristy Beach
Request for the accounting of moms contributions.
Dear Kenneth and Gloria Copeland,
Shortly before my wife Bonnie Lynn Parker passed away, she assigned complete power of attorney to me. Both the power of attorney and her death certificate are enclosed herein. The immediate surviving family members are myself, my son Alvin Todd Parker, and my daughter Kristy Parker Beach, who you have met.
Please send us a record of any and all donations, contributions, investments, and/or any money or items she has sent the Kenneth Copeland Ministry, a d/b/a for Eagle Mountain International Church, Inc. We also request a copy of any and all of Bonnie’s correspondence with the ministry. This would include any notes, letters, emails, and/or phone calls to or from the ministry.
Please note that I have chosen Kristy Parker Beach to act on our behalf in this matter, when my signature is not required. Your lack of cooperation with my daughter has only caused more grief. We hope you will comply with this request in order to avoid any legal action necessary to obtain these requests.
Sincerely, Alvin Parker
This request was sent certified mail to KCM, and their attorneys. We received back where they signed for them, but no response came regarding our request.
The Senate Finance Committee is investigating the finances of six mega churches, but will this be enough to save lives? Looking into their finances should only be the beginning. By allowing these public roll models to get in front of a camera and silicate money for healing among many other guaranties is just simply wrong! Have there been any inquiries into how many deaths are related to this fraud? Freedom of religion, has become to some a death sentence. It has proven that Gloria’s Copeland’s Healing School being taught by Gloria herself , has students that fail costing them more than a suspension, it’s costing them their lives! Encouraging innocent people to take chances in life concerning their health should be illegal!!!!
Is there anyone out there who cares about the victims of this abuse?
Is there anyone who is willing to stand up for these victims?
Yes, finances are important, but a life taken by this fraud, can not be replaced!!!! Finances can!!!! Have we all forgotten what’s important, Wake up! It is not only about the money!!!! Anyone requesting proof of our accusation feel free to contact us.
Our contact Info.
Alvin Parker 318-435-5754
Kristy Beach 318-789-7569 or 318-789-7567 email sis359@gmail.com
Amber Sikes 318-537-4077
Thank you,
Kristy Beach
To Kristy Beach,I have seen your video regarding your mother. Sadly I doubt very much that the Copelands even know your letter is on this site. I agree with what you say and I think the Copelands will have much to answer for. It's not just the money and false teachings on healing. This whole "Word Of Faith" doctrine is heretical. Mr. Copeland would have us believe that we Christians are really "little gods!" Space doesn't permit me to go into all their false teachings. I'm really surprised that the Copelands haven't blamed your mother's lack of faith. They will because they won't take the blame! Thats the way the "faith" teachers operate. Teach a bunch of garbage and when it doesn't work,blame the poor person for their lack of faith! These people make merchandise of others. Blessings to you.
what is the argument here. If you are made to be filthy rich for preaching the Gospel, then you are truly not a spokesperson for Jesus. Jesus Christ walked the earth helping people and loving others before he laid down the most awesome sacrifice for us. Never did Jesus christ preach a prosperity Gospel. Jesus said, don't store up for ourselves treasures on Earth, but store up Treasures in Heaven. Jesus said, a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his posessions. Jesus said, you cannot serve both God and Money. Jesus didn;t tell his desciples, follow me, I will make you very very rich. Jesus Gospel of Love is from the heart, not the pocketbook. When I see a preacher with outrageous Lavish things from preaching the Gospel, I run in the other direction. i respect the preachers who are there for their burning love for Jesus, not for the money the job will bring in. There is an oath of poverty for those preaching the gospel. It was never intended to become rich off of preaching the Gospel. Preaching the Gospel is a gift from God, a gift from Jesus Christ and a gift of the Holy Spirit, none of those awesome things is meant to allow us a Lavish lifestyle. It is very simple, Jesus Gospel is love from the heart, and in no way meant for anything of materialistic value
A Telling Tithe – John Copeland says in a new video that his family used their Kenneth Copeland Ministry jet for personal trips ten percent of the time. He says the high flyers reimbursed the ministry. But not receiving reimbursements, apparently, were the donating partners who paid for “Bling One.” Oh well, that’s TV ministry family prosperity for– them, not – you. See: http://www.kcm.org/ and click on “Interview with our CEO John Copeland.” What can you expect from a TV ministry that spends less than half the money it receives on TV ministry? See their hard-to-tell-where-the-money-all-goes pie chart: http://www.kcm.org/about/financial/. It says seven percent goes to its local church, which is run by daughter and son-in-law. This is an interesting concept for global donations for a global ministry. If you lump administration (8%), prayer ministry/personal outreach (12%) and ministry outreach (magazine) materials (15%) together, it is a whopping 35% of donations. In other words, it takes 35% of each dollar contributed to keep another dollar coming. Is this efficiency? Or is it the cost to create and sustain a reality distortion field of wrong doctrine that justifies opaque ministry finances and no self-critique? John repeatedly says in the video that the ministry will keep doing what it is doing without change, because it takes no correction from US Senator Grassley's financial inquiries. On 12/8/07 I herein posted, "Meanwhile, television’s madcap ministries will continue to proclaim they are God’s representatives on earth, dissent being punishable by death – if only they had the power. As they fail, the ministries will insist on doing more of what is not working." Can anything stop their let-them-watch-us-eat-cake attitudes? www.inthatdayteachings.com
How tragic that such things should be carried on in the name of the Lord Jesus who did as He said, 'give and you shall receive'. The idea of an obscenely wealthy preacher is abhorrent any sort of gospel, let alone one based on the love of God.
The principle in all fellowships is, as Scripture says, one of equality; 'if your brother needs a coat, and you have two, give him one'. Scripture is very plain.....'that there be an equality...'
If everyone in the Copeland show was wealthy and pretty much had the same lifestyle and so did all their adherents then you could say that what the Copelands do is fine, but for them to be filthy rich, and others can hardly meet their bills, is sickening.
Love CANNOT do that. There is no love of God in the Copelands. That may not be a problem to them, but... 'faith worketh by love..' and 'without faith it is impossible to please God...'
I am not their judge, the Lord will deal with them, but I would not exchange shoes with them on Judgement Day for all the tea in China.
Justin
DELUSION? Yes, this is really a strong Delusion because people can hardly believe what they are hearing about their favorite goats / wolves. Remember the wolves in sheep’s clothing? God Himself sends the delusion because of a lack of love (for The Truth) A person has no way out unless God in His mercy wakes us. Some donot love the truth because they do not know it, so how can they love it, but some do not love the truth because they do not like it, so they speak/preach the lie and cheat the hearer from the truth who would most likely love it if they heard it. But here is the sadder part, they repeat the lie they heard thinking it to be truth. And so it go’s on.
Thank you Jesus for your Mercy
It's time we quit blaming the televangelists and start blaming ourselves. Nobody forces people to give 100's of millions of dollars a year to these fakes like Copeland. It's people that think by saying a little prayer, walking down an aisle, or giving $20 bucks, they get to go to heaven and the bad people- gays, Muslims, jews, democrats, and Oprah, all go to hell.
People get the God they create in their own insane minds. Proof positive that 21st Century American Christianity is the problem. fundys.com
The judgement of God is already falling on these false teachers and prophets who pervert the Word of Truth. It seems that the mindset of many in the Body of Christ is that a revival is always a healing campaign. Yes, God heals, but true revival comes when many souls are being added to the Kingdom of God. All of the great revivals of the past were revivals in which hundreds and sometimes thousands were saved. Let the Spirit of the Lord move, by all means, but let us shout the praises or the Lord because sinners are finding Christ.
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