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Anonymous | 01:35 am on 11/10/2007
Charles Haynes is an idiot....SOMEBODY has finally stepped up to the plate. The IRS couldn't get involved "peacefully" either. The IRS is made out to be the devil. These mega churches HIDE everything and are accountable to no one. Their board is their family and friends. They tell you to send them money and God will heal your sick child, heal your marriage, etc. When it doesn't happen then they are told they didn't have enough faith. Some of these people have given their last dollar and lost their homes, cars, etc. This is fraud by any other name.
If the government won't look after the "little" people, who will? I can't find anywhere in the Bible (which is what the pimps are selling) where Jesus said his preacher's should be filthy rich. They twist scripture to suit their greed. This is heresy! No one wants to get involved but someone MUST!
Thank you Senator Grassley, I was fleeced for 12 yrs as a single mome at Hagee's church....I HOPE HE'S NEXT!
The IRS should be the people investigating these ministries AND IF THERE WERE A PROBLEM, THEN, PERHAPS THESE MINISTRIES SHOULD BE EXPOSED! Can ayone IMAGINE the damage to these ministries that is being done on this terrible level of rumor and gossip. Shame on you all!
Marg, these megachurch leaders have done quite enough damage to the message of Jesus - is it perhaps possible that the Senate Committee is acting like Jesus when he overturned the money changers business in the temple?
Pull your head out of your butt and ***THINK*** about it.
It's about time these people were exposed as the conmen they are.
They steal from the faithful and ultimately from God.
It would be good to see their greed shown for what it is. It would be better for them as they would have a chance to repent. WHan they face God it will be too late!
Marg, there are problems and if you are involved in any of these ministries, I recommend you open your eyes. I was involved closely and I know they cater to the rich, at Eagle Mountain church they pray for God to send millionaires and billionaires to their congregation. They preach a gospel of guilt if you are not present and emptying your pockets at every meeting. At their home-based meetings, supposedly for Bible study, they collect yet more money.
For the past 18 years that I know of, they have become more and more blatant about what they expect of their "flock." Unquestioning devotion to the leaders, giving tithes and offerings before there is bread in children's mouths or clothes on their backs. They preach what people want to hear, to scratch the itch of those who have "itching ears."
They are successful because people want God to fix everything in their lives that they don't want to fix themselves. They want God to wave a magic wand for them, and they promise he will, if only they are faithful to give, and give, and give.
When you "don't get results," they say it's your fault, not God's.
And they have the solution: give them more money.
They are successful because many people want what they have; the wealth, the success, the mansion on the lake. They buy into the prosperity message for what it will do for them.
There was once a man who told Jesus he'd follow Him anywhere. And what did Jesus say? Foxes have holes, birds have nests, I don't have a place to lay my head.
I believe this man was one of those like so many today who follow the leader hoping to get a piece of the leader's action.
And that is not how God works.
Yes, we have a good God who wants us to prosper, but not at the expense of others. God's prosperity is not man's prosperity, because God's ways are not man's ways. God's prosperity is not about multmillion-dollar mansions on the lake full of toys, with a hangar full of airplanes, and people treating you like a movie star that everyone wants to get close to.
While children starve. While employees make minimum wage and still have to take out their own taxes at year's end.
These people preach what they preach because it works, people want to believe it because they want to believe they can not only be like Kenneth Copeland or Creflo Dollar, but they want to BE them.
God is good, but he is not in the business of making men rich at the expense of others, which is the heart and soul of what these charlatans are doing, and have been getting away with for too long.
Sen Grassley is correct in doing this but it is not a good thing, only a necessary evil.
The church should have done this themselves. Their is a Evangelical Accountability standard and those that do not comply should not be given money.
You might say that you do not give them monay but every christian bookstore in America is loaded with theses books. Why are they promoted by Christian bookstores. Why do we not boycott the stores that sell these books and promote these people? Actually, a boycott might be a good idea on the grounds of doctrine alone.
I am going to tell the local bookstore that I am not shopping there while they sell Copeland and others books.
A nonprofit organization called Pro Publica has announced it will staff 24 investigative journalists in early 2008 in Manhattan to work on “truly important” news stories with “moral force.” The editor-in-chief will be Paul Steiger who formerly was editor at large for The Wall Street Journal. Steiger says Pro Publica will be “dedicated to reporting on abuses of power by anyone with power.” Steiger says he hopes this effort will shore up investigative reporting, which has declined in funding because the turmoil of new technology. Perhaps Pro Publica might be interested to learn that Kenneth Copeland Ministries admits it spends only 34% of donations on television and media. Where does the rest go? Benny Hinn Ministries says it spends only 52% of donations on media ministry. Where does the rest go? Perhaps: to build mansions for snakes and such, or buy luxury cars, or fuel luxury jets, or to fund all the luxury lifestyle perks and opacity the IRS – and an outraged public – says non-profit organizations must forgo. To recommend possible stories of televangelist abuse of power, Pro Publica's e-mail contact is dick.tofel@propublica.org. Bottom line: These televangelist ministries collect money for the cause of broadcasting the word, but they use half the money for other purposes, including gross self-enrichment. Grassley will no doubt find the non-profit ministries have ended up being for-profit laundry machines for making its selfish leaders rich. www.inthatdayteachings.com
Charles Haynes is an idiot....SOMEBODY has finally stepped up to the plate. The IRS couldn't get involved "peacefully" either. The IRS is made out to be the devil. These mega churches HIDE everything and are accountable to no one. Their board is their family and friends. They tell you to send them money and God will heal your sick child, heal your marriage, etc. When it doesn't happen then they are told they didn't have enough faith. Some of these people have given their last dollar and lost their homes, cars, etc. This is fraud by any other name.
If the government won't look after the "little" people, who will? I can't find anywhere in the Bible (which is what the pimps are selling) where Jesus said his preacher's should be filthy rich. They twist scripture to suit their greed. This is heresy! No one wants to get involved but someone MUST!
Thank you Senator Grassley, I was fleeced for 12 yrs as a single mome at Hagee's church....I HOPE HE'S NEXT!
The IRS should be the people investigating these ministries AND IF THERE WERE A PROBLEM, THEN, PERHAPS THESE MINISTRIES SHOULD BE EXPOSED! Can ayone IMAGINE the damage to these ministries that is being done on this terrible level of rumor and gossip. Shame on you all!
Marg, these megachurch leaders have done quite enough damage to the message of Jesus - is it perhaps possible that the Senate Committee is acting like Jesus when he overturned the money changers business in the temple?
Pull your head out of your butt and ***THINK*** about it.
It's about time these people were exposed as the conmen they are.
They steal from the faithful and ultimately from God.
It would be good to see their greed shown for what it is. It would be better for them as they would have a chance to repent. WHan they face God it will be too late!
Marg, there are problems and if you are involved in any of these ministries, I recommend you open your eyes. I was involved closely and I know they cater to the rich, at Eagle Mountain church they pray for God to send millionaires and billionaires to their congregation. They preach a gospel of guilt if you are not present and emptying your pockets at every meeting. At their home-based meetings, supposedly for Bible study, they collect yet more money.
For the past 18 years that I know of, they have become more and more blatant about what they expect of their "flock." Unquestioning devotion to the leaders, giving tithes and offerings before there is bread in children's mouths or clothes on their backs. They preach what people want to hear, to scratch the itch of those who have "itching ears."
They are successful because people want God to fix everything in their lives that they don't want to fix themselves. They want God to wave a magic wand for them, and they promise he will, if only they are faithful to give, and give, and give.
When you "don't get results," they say it's your fault, not God's.
And they have the solution: give them more money.
They are successful because many people want what they have; the wealth, the success, the mansion on the lake. They buy into the prosperity message for what it will do for them.
There was once a man who told Jesus he'd follow Him anywhere. And what did Jesus say? Foxes have holes, birds have nests, I don't have a place to lay my head.
I believe this man was one of those like so many today who follow the leader hoping to get a piece of the leader's action.
And that is not how God works.
Yes, we have a good God who wants us to prosper, but not at the expense of others. God's prosperity is not man's prosperity, because God's ways are not man's ways. God's prosperity is not about multmillion-dollar mansions on the lake full of toys, with a hangar full of airplanes, and people treating you like a movie star that everyone wants to get close to.
While children starve. While employees make minimum wage and still have to take out their own taxes at year's end.
These people preach what they preach because it works, people want to believe it because they want to believe they can not only be like Kenneth Copeland or Creflo Dollar, but they want to BE them.
God is good, but he is not in the business of making men rich at the expense of others, which is the heart and soul of what these charlatans are doing, and have been getting away with for too long.
Karen, I see you've been in my head. Bravo.
Sen Grassley is correct in doing this but it is not a good thing, only a necessary evil.
The church should have done this themselves. Their is a Evangelical Accountability standard and those that do not comply should not be given money.
You might say that you do not give them monay but every christian bookstore in America is loaded with theses books. Why are they promoted by Christian bookstores. Why do we not boycott the stores that sell these books and promote these people? Actually, a boycott might be a good idea on the grounds of doctrine alone.
I am going to tell the local bookstore that I am not shopping there while they sell Copeland and others books.
~steve
A nonprofit organization called Pro Publica has announced it will staff 24 investigative journalists in early 2008 in Manhattan to work on “truly important” news stories with “moral force.” The editor-in-chief will be Paul Steiger who formerly was editor at large for The Wall Street Journal. Steiger says Pro Publica will be “dedicated to reporting on abuses of power by anyone with power.” Steiger says he hopes this effort will shore up investigative reporting, which has declined in funding because the turmoil of new technology. Perhaps Pro Publica might be interested to learn that Kenneth Copeland Ministries admits it spends only 34% of donations on television and media. Where does the rest go? Benny Hinn Ministries says it spends only 52% of donations on media ministry. Where does the rest go? Perhaps: to build mansions for snakes and such, or buy luxury cars, or fuel luxury jets, or to fund all the luxury lifestyle perks and opacity the IRS – and an outraged public – says non-profit organizations must forgo. To recommend possible stories of televangelist abuse of power, Pro Publica's e-mail contact is dick.tofel@propublica.org. Bottom line: These televangelist ministries collect money for the cause of broadcasting the word, but they use half the money for other purposes, including gross self-enrichment. Grassley will no doubt find the non-profit ministries have ended up being for-profit laundry machines for making its selfish leaders rich. www.inthatdayteachings.com
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